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Replying To Bon:  "I'd just like a raise a point on the GAA "promoting Hurling".
Both the Lory Meagher and Nicky Rackard cup finals are on this Saturday. The GAA in its infinite wisdom has decided to schedule the throw in times at times which clash with both All Ireland Quarter finals.
How in the name of all that is good and holy is this promoting Hurling in lower counties? Its absolutly shambolic. Shame on the GAA showing such disrespect to people involved with these finals."
If the GAA had promoted hurling properly since it was formed there would be more top level counties playing the game. This is just another chapter in a long line of what could best be described as missed opportunities and at worst blatant discrimination Bon. And the media are a large part of the problem too. Bet there are no highlights even on TSG.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 27/07/2021 21:10:26    2364882

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Replying To Bon:  "I'd just like a raise a point on the GAA "promoting Hurling".
Both the Lory Meagher and Nicky Rackard cup finals are on this Saturday. The GAA in its infinite wisdom has decided to schedule the throw in times at times which clash with both All Ireland Quarter finals.
How in the name of all that is good and holy is this promoting Hurling in lower counties? Its absolutly shambolic. Shame on the GAA showing such disrespect to people involved with these finals."
If the GAA had promoted hurling properly since it was formed there would be more top level counties playing the game. This is just another chapter in a long line of what could best be described as missed opportunities and at worst blatant discrimination Bon. And the media are a large part of the problem too. Bet there are no highlights even on TSG.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 27/07/2021 21:12:16    2364883

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Replying To Viking66:  "If the GAA had promoted hurling properly since it was formed there would be more top level counties playing the game. This is just another chapter in a long line of what could best be described as missed opportunities and at worst blatant discrimination Bon. And the media are a large part of the problem too. Bet there are no highlights even on TSG."
Up to last year the Joe McDonagh Cup final was scheduled at the same time as the Munster hurling final

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 27/07/2021 22:10:42    2364903

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That's was a handy win for Cork tonight as expected in the Munster Minor Semi Final!!
But still think it will be Waterford v Galway in the All Ireland Minor Final.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 27/07/2021 22:20:45    2364905

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Good win for Galway u20.....Leinster Champions!!
All Ireland Final Galway v Cork/Tipperary!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 27/07/2021 22:22:29    2364906

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Jamie Barron was reported as having the flu that week and as your replacement list shows he was taken off after 64 minutes. He definitely was not the man that day that he was in the preceding game in '17, when he was absolutely flying in extra time V KK or V Galway last Sunday. There is no way a fully fit Jamie Barron would have been taken off.
BTW, Peter Kelly was mom in '93, when Galway actually lost- I thought you would know that, you being a Galwegian and all that"
Well Barron was brilliant in the final and would have been man of the match had Waterford prevailed. My point is that 99 times out of 100 the recipient is on the winning team. And yes Padraig Kelly, my own club man, is the exception to the rule in 93. i presume you meant him and not Peter!

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 27/07/2021 23:17:44    2364929

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Replying To Canuck:  "Waterford are appealing the suspension of Conor Gleeson on a technicality and they are right to do so. He deserved that card but the ref was trying to be too cute. He seemly consulted an umpire on leaving the field. Why did he not complete the sending off then ? He obviously had made up his mind before the break was over. So a red, 14 men but another penalty by springing it on Waterford. Red card dismissal during a game gives the team sometime to organize. Like I said before he hi-lighted later what he was about when blowing back for a free when Barron was in the clear heading for goal while ignoring a strike with the stick in the rucus. I have defend referees all the time but his job is not to make a game of it if that was his intent.
There is no certainly the appeal will be upheld but on this occasion Waterford were incensed and not going to take it on the chin."
If he deserved the card he deserved the card, why would you appeal ?? He did deserve to be sent off no question. Don't see the problem the game you are referring to is over and ye won! You have to agree the ref made the right call! Why can't players just take the punishment and not look for a sneaky technicality just accept it like mullane did in the Munster final. Derek McGrath trying to say this and gullanes belt were not sending offs was a complete joke.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 28/07/2021 09:15:10    2364959

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Replying To katser:  "Good win for Galway u20.....Leinster Champions!!
All Ireland Final Galway v Cork/Tipperary!!"
Wrong AGAIN. Cork knocked out Tipp already

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 09:32:31    2364967

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Replying To mr305:  "Well Barron was brilliant in the final and would have been man of the match had Waterford prevailed. My point is that 99 times out of 100 the recipient is on the winning team. And yes Padraig Kelly, my own club man, is the exception to the rule in 93. i presume you meant him and not Peter!"
Look he beat KK almost single handedly in extra time in the Semi Final in '17- he raced through to score a goaland made another. There is just no way, if he was fully fit he would have been taken off in normal time. Yes Padraig Kelly is the man and Gleeson and Tony Browne both got hurler of the year, when Waterford were not champions, so these things are not set in stone.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 09:37:27    2364968

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Look he beat KK almost single handedly in extra time in the Semi Final in '17- he raced through to score a goaland made another. There is just no way, if he was fully fit he would have been taken off in normal time. Yes Padraig Kelly is the man and Gleeson and Tony Browne both got hurler of the year, when Waterford were not champions, so these things are not set in stone."
I won't say "wrong AGAIN" like you did to another poster, but it was Cork they played in the 17 semi final. Not KK. Nor did it go to extra time. How could you forget that infamous Gleeson goal when he ran through the cork defence and scored a goal for the ages.

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 28/07/2021 12:02:28    2365024

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Replying To mr305:  "I won't say "wrong AGAIN" like you did to another poster, but it was Cork they played in the 17 semi final. Not KK. Nor did it go to extra time. How could you forget that infamous Gleeson goal when he ran through the cork defence and scored a goal for the ages."
It was played in conjunction with a Dublin/Tipp game in Thurles and it clearly went to extra time as stated on Wikipedia with Waterford winning by seven points 4.23 to 2.22 with Barron scoring 1.3 and after a run through late in extra time giving the killer pass for another goal- I checked it out, although I distinctly remember the game. You are right that it was a playoff and not a Semi Final. It was only the second time Waterford ever beat KK.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 13:54:05    2365085

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "It was played in conjunction with a Dublin/Tipp game in Thurles and it clearly went to extra time as stated on Wikipedia with Waterford winning by seven points 4.23 to 2.22 with Barron scoring 1.3 and after a run through late in extra time giving the killer pass for another goal- I checked it out, although I distinctly remember the game. You are right that it was a playoff and not a Semi Final. It was only the second time Waterford ever beat KK."
"It was only the second time Waterford ever beat KK."

True. But. up to and including that game, Waterford and Kilkenny had played each other only 14 times in the Championship; the first time being 1957.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 28/07/2021 14:32:03    2365098

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Replying To ecad123:  "If he deserved the card he deserved the card, why would you appeal ?? He did deserve to be sent off no question. Don't see the problem the game you are referring to is over and ye won! You have to agree the ref made the right call! Why can't players just take the punishment and not look for a sneaky technicality just accept it like mullane did in the Munster final. Derek McGrath trying to say this and gullanes belt were not sending offs was a complete joke."
So its okay for one team to turn out with a full compliment of players in their next game after not getting "deserved " red cards but not another. You have said Gillane's was a red card but you want different punishment because the ref choose to ignore it. That is the difference and we have been on the receiving end of that too often. The ref made the right call but like the players he should make that call properly within the rules and we have the right to question that. If he did do it right we lose and them's are the breaks.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/07/2021 14:33:27    2365100

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Replying To ecad123:  "If he deserved the card he deserved the card, why would you appeal ?? He did deserve to be sent off no question. Don't see the problem the game you are referring to is over and ye won! You have to agree the ref made the right call! Why can't players just take the punishment and not look for a sneaky technicality just accept it like mullane did in the Munster final. Derek McGrath trying to say this and gullanes belt were not sending offs was a complete joke."
So its okay for one team to turn out with a full compliment of players in their next game after not getting "deserved " red cards but not another. You have said Gillane's was a red card but you want different punishment because the ref choose to ignore it. That is the difference and we have been on the receiving end of that too often. The ref made the right call but like the players he should make that call properly within the rules and we have the right to question that. If he did do it right we lose and them's are the breaks.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/07/2021 14:36:42    2365104

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Replying To ecad123:  "If he deserved the card he deserved the card, why would you appeal ?? He did deserve to be sent off no question. Don't see the problem the game you are referring to is over and ye won! You have to agree the ref made the right call! Why can't players just take the punishment and not look for a sneaky technicality just accept it like mullane did in the Munster final. Derek McGrath trying to say this and gullanes belt were not sending offs was a complete joke."
Why cant players take their punishment. You are absolutely right there, but when stand out players like Henry Shefflin and Pat Horgan run off and appeal their sending offs it all becomes fair game. I do agree with Canuck that waiting for over fifteen minutes to tell a player he is being sent off is downright wrong. A decision should be made there and then, as it always is. I thought it was totally disrespectful to Liam Cahill and his team and any county Board would be disgusted with that type of carry on. Like you I admire John Mullane but other much more successful teams have no hesitation racing to the Appeals Board.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 14:42:28    2365109

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Why cant players take their punishment. You are absolutely right there, but when stand out players like Henry Shefflin and Pat Horgan run off and appeal their sending offs it all becomes fair game. I do agree with Canuck that waiting for over fifteen minutes to tell a player he is being sent off is downright wrong. A decision should be made there and then, as it always is. I thought it was totally disrespectful to Liam Cahill and his team and any county Board would be disgusted with that type of carry on. Like you I admire John Mullane but other much more successful teams have no hesitation racing to the Appeals Board."
I am afraid I can't agree with you regarding the time element in the sending off. How many minutes do teams have at half time... 15 min I believe.
If that is correct, do you expect the ref to go into a dressing room at half time and send off a player ?

The ref got added info from his umpires after the half time whistle for an off the ball incident and acted accordingly by giving the red card immediately before the resumption of the second half. This is not the first time this has happened.
Nothing at all wrong with his decision.

In fact what woukd we be saying if the ref had not acted ? We would be lambasting him for NOT taking the info from his umpires!
It really is galling to see Waterford trying to get their player off suspension on what is being described as a technicality.
Dinal Cusack made an excellent response to Derek McGraths pathetic response to the incident on The Sunday Game too.
For the record I think the ref was fully correct to send the player off and I think Waterford will not be successful if they go ahead with an appeal.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 28/07/2021 14:59:43    2365121

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Two interesting games coming up Saturday.If Waterford can bring anything like the speed and cohesion of their hurling that they brought against Galway they should win.This is a very skilful Tipp team but perhaps the game has moved on a bit from their style of play.We will know on Saturday.
Dublin and Cork,well we really don't know how good Dublin are,they looked very good against Galway but not so good against KK,albeit missing a few with the Covid situation and losing the full back at the start of the game.I give them a chance with their first choice fb fit and ready.Cork are still unproven to me,they faltered badly against a Limerick team that played poorly on the day and if Tony Kelly's last goalbound shot had gone in they were out of the championship.They have played two games,one a bad fail and the other a mere pass so the game against Dublin should reveal how good they really are.If Cork are prevented from scoring goals...not easily done...they will likely struggle to overcome the opposition.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 28/07/2021 15:07:05    2365125

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Replying To carlowman:  "I am afraid I can't agree with you regarding the time element in the sending off. How many minutes do teams have at half time... 15 min I believe.
If that is correct, do you expect the ref to go into a dressing room at half time and send off a player ?

The ref got added info from his umpires after the half time whistle for an off the ball incident and acted accordingly by giving the red card immediately before the resumption of the second half. This is not the first time this has happened.
Nothing at all wrong with his decision.

In fact what woukd we be saying if the ref had not acted ? We would be lambasting him for NOT taking the info from his umpires!
It really is galling to see Waterford trying to get their player off suspension on what is being described as a technicality.
Dinal Cusack made an excellent response to Derek McGraths pathetic response to the incident on The Sunday Game too.
For the record I think the ref was fully correct to send the player off and I think Waterford will not be successful if they go ahead with an appeal."
Why did not he consult his umpires before he left the field or why did his umpires not draw his attention to the incident? I agree it was a sending off offence and I do not agree with people who try to get sending offs overturned..

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 15:10:36    2365129

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Replying To Canuck:  "So its okay for one team to turn out with a full compliment of players in their next game after not getting "deserved " red cards but not another. You have said Gillane's was a red card but you want different punishment because the ref choose to ignore it. That is the difference and we have been on the receiving end of that too often. The ref made the right call but like the players he should make that call properly within the rules and we have the right to question that. If he did do it right we lose and them's are the breaks."
Canuck, the referee did not ignore it- he dealt with it by giving him a yellow. If he ignored it Gullane would have been suspended after the event like Tomas O'Shea was after a Limerick game years ago.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 28/07/2021 15:13:21    2365132

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Why cant players take their punishment. You are absolutely right there, but when stand out players like Henry Shefflin and Pat Horgan run off and appeal their sending offs it all becomes fair game. I do agree with Canuck that waiting for over fifteen minutes to tell a player he is being sent off is downright wrong. A decision should be made there and then, as it always is. I thought it was totally disrespectful to Liam Cahill and his team and any county Board would be disgusted with that type of carry on. Like you I admire John Mullane but other much more successful teams have no hesitation racing to the Appeals Board."
The linesmen and the ref are miked to each other and obviously no immediate reaction. If the ref had dealt with Gleeson before he blew the half time whistle no problem. No challenge. If he had the courtesy to go Waterford and tell them they would have 14 players in the second half no problem. I will tell you what happened here. It was reaction to seeing Joe coming off holding his hand. Joe is not a faker but someone went and reported Joe was finished and been replaced because of the belt and then reversed or never going to happen. It was announced on t.v. The ref to take action needed someone to report it. He found an umpire who had seen something. This thing smelled from the start and I said it right at the time. I make no excuses for what Conor did to Joe but finding a way to deal with it on a specific occasion using retrospect is wrong. Or else use it all the time. Gleeson was subject to unequal discipline in 2017. Waterford are right to go and bat for him this time and have that right. Gleeson is not a dirty player at club or county. Equally active at the top level in both codes. He was guilty of a red card offence but is entitled to proper procedure and not punishment that other red card offences do not get.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/07/2021 15:29:56    2365142

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