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Brian Cody 23rd Season

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Congrats to Brian Cody what an achievement, only one year behind our messiah here in Meath Sean Boylan (a hurling man firstly). I hope they build a statue of him when he does eventually decide to blow the full time whistle on his Kilkenny career.

I seen a few people mention that Henry Shefflin would be a good replacement, and its hard to doubt his credentials on what he has achieved as a player and even in his brief managerial stint. I would imagine that he holds Cody's values of honesty and hard work as a manager, but is he really the best option? In fairness he managed a Ballyhale team that is one of the greatest club hurling sides of all time, they were always going to win the AI titles those years no question. I see that he has taken over Thomastown this year, are they another safe bet to win the intermediate after losing the last two county finals? Realistically the KK intermediate champions win the Leinster title so there would be another "handy" leinster to add to his CV. I just feel he has not been tested as a manager yet but I hope I am wrong.

Derek Lyng was one of Codys right hand men for a number of years, was there a reason for him to drop down to manage the U20's? Even watching TG4 he was doing a lot of the interviews when ever KK were playing so is he being lined up as the replacement down the line? Could it be Eddie Brennan who takes over next? he has actually cut his cloth at senior inter county management and been successful.

Who knows what will happen in the future but all we can do is admire the greatest Hurling manager of all time.

butterfly (Meath) - Posts: 100 - 13/01/2021 11:51:48    2327230

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Replying To butterfly:  "Congrats to Brian Cody what an achievement, only one year behind our messiah here in Meath Sean Boylan (a hurling man firstly). I hope they build a statue of him when he does eventually decide to blow the full time whistle on his Kilkenny career.

I seen a few people mention that Henry Shefflin would be a good replacement, and its hard to doubt his credentials on what he has achieved as a player and even in his brief managerial stint. I would imagine that he holds Cody's values of honesty and hard work as a manager, but is he really the best option? In fairness he managed a Ballyhale team that is one of the greatest club hurling sides of all time, they were always going to win the AI titles those years no question. I see that he has taken over Thomastown this year, are they another safe bet to win the intermediate after losing the last two county finals? Realistically the KK intermediate champions win the Leinster title so there would be another "handy" leinster to add to his CV. I just feel he has not been tested as a manager yet but I hope I am wrong.

Derek Lyng was one of Codys right hand men for a number of years, was there a reason for him to drop down to manage the U20's? Even watching TG4 he was doing a lot of the interviews when ever KK were playing so is he being lined up as the replacement down the line? Could it be Eddie Brennan who takes over next? he has actually cut his cloth at senior inter county management and been successful.

Who knows what will happen in the future but all we can do is admire the greatest Hurling manager of all time."
If Shefflin does get Thomastown promoted to senior then his stock will rise and more people will feel he should be the next manager. I agree with you about Ballyhale he inherited a great team and prob hasn't been tested yet as a manager I think he will bide his time before he goes for the Kilkenny job.

Derek Lyng and Eddie Brennan are good shouts for the job if Cody goes would DJ Carey be interested i'm not sure. On a side not seen that Richie Power snr has said Cody shouldn't have stayed on think it's very disrespectful for a former team mate to come out to and say something like this especially to a national newspaper (Irish Examiner).

Maroonforever (Galway) - Posts: 382 - 13/01/2021 12:24:55    2327234

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Replying To catch22:  "A fair assessment. Maybe he needs to bring in a tactician but then does he want to embrace the new ways.

I actually don't like the current style of play out there at the moment - throwing the ball, extra steps, tactical fouling, short passing.

When was there not extra steps, tactical fouling , throwing the ball. Stop talking rubbish.
Cody is still Kilkennys best option. Most counties would be glad of his record current and past."
You are entitled to your view Catch 22. I dislike the current game, they're all throwing the ball instead of a clear handpass, tactical and cynical fouling, there are elements of football or rugby in it. Lots of cynical fouls going unpunished.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 13/01/2021 13:57:16    2327248

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On another note, I was surprised to read recently he doesn't top the list of Senior Hurling AI winning managers. He shares it with another Kilkenny man on 11 wins. Is that correct?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 13/01/2021 09:52:50


No, it's not correct. Fr Tommy Maher managed (coached) Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1957 and 1975.

Danny O'Connell trained, or managed, Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1904, their first, and 1913.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1238 - 13/01/2021 14:50:33    2327255

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Replying To Maroonforever:  "If Shefflin does get Thomastown promoted to senior then his stock will rise and more people will feel he should be the next manager. I agree with you about Ballyhale he inherited a great team and prob hasn't been tested yet as a manager I think he will bide his time before he goes for the Kilkenny job.

Derek Lyng and Eddie Brennan are good shouts for the job if Cody goes would DJ Carey be interested i'm not sure. On a side not seen that Richie Power snr has said Cody shouldn't have stayed on think it's very disrespectful for a former team mate to come out to and say something like this especially to a national newspaper (Irish Examiner)."
Love people like Richie Power talking about all the problems but offering no solutions. He is talking out both sides of his mouth. One point he makes is Kilkenny need a new voice that when Waterford came at them Kilkenny had no answer then, he points out the lack of talent they have and how the under age teams have not produced. Maybe the lack of talent was the reason they couldn't stop Waterford. He said Kilkenny have to get back to playing like they did when Cha and Mick Fennelly were playing center field. The problem is they don't have players as good as Cha and Mick right now. I might be wrong but Richie might have an axe to grind with Cody after his son John couldn't nail down a spot on the first 15 and left the panel at a young age.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 247 - 13/01/2021 18:25:04    2327281

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Replying To gatha:  "Love people like Richie Power talking about all the problems but offering no solutions. He is talking out both sides of his mouth. One point he makes is Kilkenny need a new voice that when Waterford came at them Kilkenny had no answer then, he points out the lack of talent they have and how the under age teams have not produced. Maybe the lack of talent was the reason they couldn't stop Waterford. He said Kilkenny have to get back to playing like they did when Cha and Mick Fennelly were playing center field. The problem is they don't have players as good as Cha and Mick right now. I might be wrong but Richie might have an axe to grind with Cody after his son John couldn't nail down a spot on the first 15 and left the panel at a young age."
Wouldn't be suprised gatha if that was the case the timing of it very strange and doesn't help Kilkenny in anyway going into a new championship. I always wondered what happened to John Power thought he was gonna be mainstay in that Kilkenny after

2014 obviously Cody felt he lacked something. Getting back to Richie snr's comments I doubt Cody will be losing any sleep over that article prob doesn't even know about it.

Maroonforever (Galway) - Posts: 382 - 13/01/2021 19:59:13    2327294

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It is hard to criticise Brian Cody given all that he has achieved and brought to Kilkenny. From the outside looking in, there is a worrying lack of talents in the county when you look at the club championship matches shown earlier this year but maybe we judge kilkenny players against higher standards given their recent history. It is hard to maintain that flow of player after their golden era. I think a manager like Brian Cody can stay too long and I hope this is not the case. Eddie Brennan has proven he is the best candidate to come in when the time comes. Shefflin is an astute hurling man but he hasn't manage at intercounty level. Would either win an all ireland with the current squad, I don't believe so which is why Brian is been given another go; i think he deserves one more try.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1243 - 13/01/2021 22:01:59    2327315

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "On another note, I was surprised to read recently he doesn't top the list of Senior Hurling AI winning managers. He shares it with another Kilkenny man on 11 wins. Is that correct?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 13/01/2021 09:52:50


No, it's not correct. Fr Tommy Maher managed (coached) Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1957 and 1975.

Danny O'Connell trained, or managed, Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1904, their first, and 1913."
I can't find the original article mentioning Danny O'Connell. I think it may have been in the Sunday Times recently. I did find this though
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I suspect its one of those cases of did he manage or train or have some other involvement in those victories

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 972 - 14/01/2021 11:19:46    2327365

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "On another note, I was surprised to read recently he doesn't top the list of Senior Hurling AI winning managers. He shares it with another Kilkenny man on 11 wins. Is that correct?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 13/01/2021 09:52:50


No, it's not correct. Fr Tommy Maher managed (coached) Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1957 and 1975.

Danny O'Connell trained, or managed, Kilkenny to seven All-Irelands between 1904, their first, and 1913."
I can't find the original article mentioning Danny O'Connell. I think it may have been in the Sunday Times recently. I did find this though
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I suspect its one of those cases of did he manage or train or have some other involvement in those victories"
Great article. I think the "Danny O'Connell (famous name in Kilkenny hurling, trained Kilkenny to 12 senior titles)", refers to the to 7 All-Irelands plus the Leinster titles. To be fair it's a long time ago and not a lot is known about the man. I got some of my information from this: link

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1238 - 14/01/2021 20:33:43    2327472

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Personally I think Kk would be foolish to let him go never mind get rid of him. He has done extremely well to collect silverware with the team he has now, which I think anyone will agree isn't a patch on the team of 10 years ago.
Amazingly Kilkenny haven't won an u21/20 title since 2008 and only one minor in the past 10 seasons (2014). There was this myth there for years that kilkenny would be unbeatable for ever more but like any great team, a huge bunch of talented and highly driven players came at the one time.
Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year, however I do think it's more down to the talent. Anyone would be foolish to think Kk won't dominate again but perhaps they have taken their eye of the ball at underage level a bit? Cody loves the big rangey type of player and maybe there is still a place for the smaller more skillful player. I firmly believe he is the best man for the job though but if players all think it's gone stale like it has been said then maybe he has to move on..

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2969 - 16/01/2021 15:44:47    2327714

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I think Kk would be foolish to let him go never mind get rid of him. He has done extremely well to collect silverware with the team he has now, which I think anyone will agree isn't a patch on the team of 10 years ago.
Amazingly Kilkenny haven't won an u21/20 title since 2008 and only one minor in the past 10 seasons (2014). There was this myth there for years that kilkenny would be unbeatable for ever more but like any great team, a huge bunch of talented and highly driven players came at the one time.
Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year, however I do think it's more down to the talent. Anyone would be foolish to think Kk won't dominate again but perhaps they have taken their eye of the ball at underage level a bit? Cody loves the big rangey type of player and maybe there is still a place for the smaller more skillful player. I firmly believe he is the best man for the job though but if players all think it's gone stale like it has been said then maybe he has to move on.."
[b"]Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped Kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year"

Since Galway joined Leinster 11 years ago; Kilkenny have played in 8 All-Ireland finals.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1238 - 16/01/2021 17:54:36    2327730

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I think Kk would be foolish to let him go never mind get rid of him. He has done extremely well to collect silverware with the team he has now, which I think anyone will agree isn't a patch on the team of 10 years ago.
Amazingly Kilkenny haven't won an u21/20 title since 2008 and only one minor in the past 10 seasons (2014). There was this myth there for years that kilkenny would be unbeatable for ever more but like any great team, a huge bunch of talented and highly driven players came at the one time.
Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year, however I do think it's more down to the talent. Anyone would be foolish to think Kk won't dominate again but perhaps they have taken their eye of the ball at underage level a bit? Cody loves the big rangey type of player and maybe there is still a place for the smaller more skillful player. I firmly believe he is the best man for the job though but if players all think it's gone stale like it has been said then maybe he has to move on.."
Would agree with much of that,, getting that kilkenny team to the final in 2019 was arguably more difficult than winning the all Ireland with the amazing players he had in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 387 - 16/01/2021 18:05:07    2327731

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[b"
Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped Kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year"

Since Galway joined Leinster 11 years ago; Kilkenny have played in 8 All-Ireland finals."]Galway joined Leinster in 2009.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 214 - 16/01/2021 19:28:01    2327746

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Replying To catch22:  "A fair assessment. Maybe he needs to bring in a tactician but then does he want to embrace the new ways.

I actually don't like the current style of play out there at the moment - throwing the ball, extra steps, tactical fouling, short passing.

When was there not extra steps, tactical fouling , throwing the ball. Stop talking rubbish.
Cody is still Kilkennys best option. Most counties would be glad of his record current and past."
Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2771 - 16/01/2021 20:19:18    2327755

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[b"
Galway going into Leinster when they did also probably stopped Kilkenny getting the run they would normally have had every year"

Since Galway joined Leinster 11 years ago; Kilkenny have played in 8 All-Ireland finals."
Galway joined Leinster in 2009."]Yes but not 11 like it was pretty much before that apart from the wexford smash and grab semi final

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2969 - 16/01/2021 20:53:19    2327760

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up."
You make great points here Oldtourman. All very well said.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1196 - 16/01/2021 21:27:46    2327766

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up."
I'm pretty sure Hogan meant that as a compliment,, also, when kilkenny were enjoying their dominance back then they were on the receiving end of no end of bitterness,, some even going so far as to accuse them of destroying hurling (no word at all about their opponents half of whom were beaten before a sliotar was picked),,

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 387 - 16/01/2021 23:25:54    2327771

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm pretty sure Hogan meant that as a compliment,, also, when kilkenny were enjoying their dominance back then they were on the receiving end of no end of bitterness,, some even going so far as to accuse them of destroying hurling (no word at all about their opponents half of whom were beaten before a sliotar was picked),,"
Ah to be fair I dont think very many ever said KK were destroying hurling. As someone who hated them as a young lad for their success, I for one would never once would have said they were destroying hurling. I did say other silly things because of my bitterness and didnt compliment as much as I should have but knew how good they were and how they played the game properly. Who said they were destroying the game?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2969 - 17/01/2021 04:37:10    2327774

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up."
Surely you would at least agree that the throw (handpass) has gecome a joke.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 08:26:54    2327779

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Also certain players getting awards who are indisciplined to put it kindly.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 09:55:29    2327785

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