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Brian Cody 23rd Season

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Replying To gahfan:  "Incorrect. I watched it numerous times and could only see a throw. Anyway thay was just one example of many. It's rife in the game.
Throwing the ball was never in the game.
I think I've made my point at this stage."
Yes that's just one instance but you're suggesting these are major problems in today's game and like these are new instances that have never been part of the game up until now.
That's not the case. Your points are not valid.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 17/01/2021 22:34:02    2327860

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Replying To catch22:  "Yes that's just one instance but you're suggesting these are major problems in today's game and like these are new instances that have never been part of the game up until now.
That's not the case. Your points are not valid."
In what decade did players throw the ball instead of hanpassing it?
Anyway to say problems with the game were always there is hardly very helpful.
There are problems with the game here and now that need to be addressed.
Highlighting past ills of the game isn't going to solve anything.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 18/01/2021 12:46:23    2327914

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Replying To gahfan:  "In what decade did players throw the ball instead of hanpassing it?
Anyway to say problems with the game were always there is hardly very helpful.
There are problems with the game here and now that need to be addressed.
Highlighting past ills of the game isn't going to solve anything."
All of the instances you suggest with the possible exception of short passing have always existed. You're making out these are new to the game and they are not. That's the point which you seem to be missing.
There are issues that could be addressed as in pretty much every sport but these aren't new.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 18/01/2021 17:40:00    2327973

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Have to say lads Im very much a fan of the big ball, although there are some fine hurling clubs in Meath and hurling certainly is growing particularly in the south of the county. A great sport and a shame there isnt a showcase team in north-Leinster or south-Ulster to follow. It just isn't big in the area sadly.
As a follower of the game, but having never played; In relation to Brian, a great acheivement to go on coaching for the length of time he has. Think of the reach, think of the fact that he managed lads who are now pushing 50, and is still now coaching lads maybe 19/20. That takes a serious operator. Massive respect.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 433 - 18/01/2021 18:35:07    2327978

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Replying To gahfan:  "I can stand over it. Watch a hurling match. Watch the all Ireland final. They were throwing the ball to each other a few metres away. The refs seem to let it go. Possibly because it's done so fast or they've been shown how to get away with it.
Commentators don't mention it either. It has become the norm and accepted.
I much preferred hurling about ten years ago.
Now go away and watch some matches from 2020."
Apologies to the posters who are expecting to read about the great Brian Cody but I have to reply to this guy. Coincidentally, I watched the All Ireland back yesterday. The reason I watched it back is because of a separate thread on here called "Throwing the Sliotar". What you are saying is utter rubbish!! Have you ever played the game? You have a problem with hand passing, athleticism, height, build and passing. What would you do about all the negatives in the game.
Don't you think all the nay sayers ex County Columnists would have picked up on all Limericks illegal hand passes?

I posted on that other thread today also. Maybe have a look at it. But I can categorically tell you are incorrect with your illegal hand pass campaign. And yes players are coached on how to perfect extremely quick hand passes!

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 303 - 18/01/2021 23:14:16    2328011

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Replying To catch22:  "All of the instances you suggest with the possible exception of short passing have always existed. You're making out these are new to the game and they are not. That's the point which you seem to be missing.
There are issues that could be addressed as in pretty much every sport but these aren't new."
It's as if you're trying to get me to change my view that I don't like the way hurling is currently being played.
Then you call me a spoofer.
On a more positive note please keep brian cody at the helm, i've never enjoyed an off season so much.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 19/01/2021 08:29:40    2328023

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Replying To gahfan:  "It's as if you're trying to get me to change my view that I don't like the way hurling is currently being played.
Then you call me a spoofer.
On a more positive note please keep brian cody at the helm, i've never enjoyed an off season so much."
I don't particularly care if you change your view it's more the daft reasons you are suggesting for that view and the implication that these are somehow new or indeed that there is an extraordinary high number of instances where players are throwing the sliotar. You're wrong plain and simple.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 19/01/2021 11:17:41    2328042

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Replying To catch22:  "I don't particularly care if you change your view it's more the daft reasons you are suggesting for that view and the implication that these are somehow new or indeed that there is an extraordinary high number of instances where players are throwing the sliotar. You're wrong plain and simple."
And your assessment of the game of hurling at the moment?

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 19/01/2021 12:36:34    2328053

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Replying To gahfan:  "And your assessment of the game of hurling at the moment?"
The game is to open. To many scores and no man Marking. Give me playing on the edge any day..

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 22 - 19/01/2021 13:28:50    2328060

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There game today has players every bit as skilful as ever to play the game. Today's players are generally more athletic and strong but that doesn't impact the game in a negative way as far as I'm concerned.
There are some average games and some hugely entertaining matches as was always the case and will continue to be the case.
There's not a lot wrong with the game that changing would make so much better.
If you done enjoy it , fine, just don't try to tell me it was so much better in the past because of the issues you outlined.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 19/01/2021 13:35:40    2328066

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Replying To gahfan:  "And your assessment of the game of hurling at the moment?"
I am 70 years old and they were complaining 'that the hurling they are playing now is not as good as it was long ago', when I was was a small boy. We all tend to hanker for the glories of yester year. I read somewhere that in 1897 the Kilfinane boys were afraid that Tullaroan would beat them in that years final so some bright spark came with a new tactic called Hook and Block. It was thought, at that time, that it would ruin the game- it did not and those skills are a splendid part of the game now. When Mackey was in his heyday in the thirties a sports writer of the day claimed Limerick were playing too much combination hurling and he hankered after 'the great forward rushes of the past' (he would have loved the 'push over try' goal in 73). We then went to the mid nineties and people were saying Griffin and Loughnane were ruining the game with their mad training regimes, only for a rising Cork team to be lambasted a few years later for short puck outs and too much retaining of possession. The fact is nothing stays the same and everything has its day. As far as I am concerned I am utterly amazed at some of the ball skills displayed by current day players, their speed, athleticism, intelligence and their overall high level of performance are a sight to behold.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2771 - 19/01/2021 15:23:22    2328087

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Replying To butterfly:  "Congrats to Brian Cody what an achievement, only one year behind our messiah here in Meath Sean Boylan (a hurling man firstly). I hope they build a statue of him when he does eventually decide to blow the full time whistle on his Kilkenny career.

I seen a few people mention that Henry Shefflin would be a good replacement, and its hard to doubt his credentials on what he has achieved as a player and even in his brief managerial stint. I would imagine that he holds Cody's values of honesty and hard work as a manager, but is he really the best option? In fairness he managed a Ballyhale team that is one of the greatest club hurling sides of all time, they were always going to win the AI titles those years no question. I see that he has taken over Thomastown this year, are they another safe bet to win the intermediate after losing the last two county finals? Realistically the KK intermediate champions win the Leinster title so there would be another "handy" leinster to add to his CV. I just feel he has not been tested as a manager yet but I hope I am wrong.

Derek Lyng was one of Codys right hand men for a number of years, was there a reason for him to drop down to manage the U20's? Even watching TG4 he was doing a lot of the interviews when ever KK were playing so is he being lined up as the replacement down the line? Could it be Eddie Brennan who takes over next? he has actually cut his cloth at senior inter county management and been successful.

Who knows what will happen in the future but all we can do is admire the greatest Hurling manager of all time."
Best GAA Manager ever id say I would be a real shame if things ever tuned sour in KK but we all know its a result based business hope he knows when his time is up

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 594 - 19/01/2021 16:06:04    2328097

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I am 70 years old and they were complaining 'that the hurling they are playing now is not as good as it was long ago', when I was was a small boy. We all tend to hanker for the glories of yester year. I read somewhere that in 1897 the Kilfinane boys were afraid that Tullaroan would beat them in that years final so some bright spark came with a new tactic called Hook and Block. It was thought, at that time, that it would ruin the game- it did not and those skills are a splendid part of the game now. When Mackey was in his heyday in the thirties a sports writer of the day claimed Limerick were playing too much combination hurling and he hankered after 'the great forward rushes of the past' (he would have loved the 'push over try' goal in 73). We then went to the mid nineties and people were saying Griffin and Loughnane were ruining the game with their mad training regimes, only for a rising Cork team to be lambasted a few years later for short puck outs and too much retaining of possession. The fact is nothing stays the same and everything has its day. As far as I am concerned I am utterly amazed at some of the ball skills displayed by current day players, their speed, athleticism, intelligence and their overall high level of performance are a sight to behold."
Great post.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 303 - 19/01/2021 18:09:42    2328121

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It is an amazing achievement to manage your county for so long but tbh I think that Cody loves the job so much he might be lost without it. Yes we can praise his longevity but the guy is probably dreading the day he's replaced.
I don't agree at all with the idea that he should choose himself when he leaves. No more so than with players,, if a manager isn't doing the stuff anymore it's time for change.
I still however believe he's a good pick for the job. In the last 2 years he's reached a final and won a leinster, not bad for a kilkeeny team nowhere near as good as they were.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 387 - 19/01/2021 20:09:09    2328132

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Colin Fennelly taking a year out. Paul Murphy and Ger Aylward retiring. Would these players have stayed out if there was a new voice.
That's no offence to Cody but surely was a time to step down

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2328 - 19/01/2021 22:02:51    2328150

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Colin Fennelly taking a year out. Paul Murphy and Ger Aylward retiring. Would these players have stayed out if there was a new voice.
That's no offence to Cody but surely was a time to step down"
As a Wexford supporter I take a close interest in Kilkennys squad! Ger Aylward hasnt been the same player since the injuries a few years ago. Colin Fennelly also isnt the same rampaging presence who destroyed us with goals years ago and hasnt been for the last few years. Paul Murphy likewise had his best years more than 5 years ago. I dont think they wouldve been kept on by a new voice anyway.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 20/01/2021 10:49:25    2328176

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Replying To Viking66:  "As a Wexford supporter I take a close interest in Kilkennys squad! Ger Aylward hasnt been the same player since the injuries a few years ago. Colin Fennelly also isnt the same rampaging presence who destroyed us with goals years ago and hasnt been for the last few years. Paul Murphy likewise had his best years more than 5 years ago. I dont think they wouldve been kept on by a new voice anyway."
I think your right on two fronts, Cody as we know is a ruthless manager, and I think, Ger Aylward, and Fennelly and even Murphy were picking up vibes that they were not going to feature this year and got their "oar" in first if you know what I mean. I know we are in unprecedented times, but I cannot remember a Kilkenny player taking time out before (I know someone will come on and tell me of one or two but in recent years "times outs" are not a Kilkenny thing that i read about anyway...Cody dispensed with Philly Larkin, Eamon Kennedy (man of the match in 2000 against us) and other notable names along the way, Charlie Carter too there was "in and out" and "whats the story" etc. around him that time too...I do think the end game for Cody has probably arrived, he is being left in situ which is fair enough if thats what the County Board want, but while not betting man, ide say alot of these opt outs and there will be more to follow are connected to Cody staying on....Shefflin and Eddie Brenan are probably loyal to Cody and wont present for the managers job until he says he is going himself...thats my tuppence on it..some hurlers going there that would get on most county team..pity to see...Ger Aylward only 28...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 598 - 20/01/2021 11:29:03    2328182

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Cody has done the next manager a great favor by staying on a few years after his last All Ireland win. The talent isn't there right now and if a new manager came in say in '16 or '17 they would have been under severe pressure to win with a team that isn't a top 4 team. Now when the next manager does come in the supporters will probably a bit more understanding. I know Cody isn't thinking like this, He is surely trying to win the 2021 All Ireland that's what made him great the never give in attitude.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 247 - 20/01/2021 12:41:27    2328195

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Over 20 years of of training sessions, attending meetings, dealing with the press, travelling to matches, coaching, managing, giving talks, award ceremonies, school/hospital/corporate events etc etc, book launches, charity events...and he had a day job of teaching at one stage. Remarkable. Actually I think it's Mrs Cody deserves the accolades

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 972 - 20/01/2021 15:34:15    2328226

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "Over 20 years of of training sessions, attending meetings, dealing with the press, travelling to matches, coaching, managing, giving talks, award ceremonies, school/hospital/corporate events etc etc, book launches, charity events...and he had a day job of teaching at one stage. Remarkable. Actually I think it's Mrs Cody deserves the accolades"
Ah yes of course. A good Wexford woman!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 20/01/2021 15:46:30    2328228

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