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Brian Cody 23rd Season

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Replying To gahfan:  "Surely you would at least agree that the throw (handpass) has gecome a joke."
Well Cian Lynch was pulled for two hand passes which were clearly shown on slow play back to be proper hand passes. Anyway the referee could not possibly have see the second one as he was blind sided, yet he blew it anyway. Meanwhile Noel McGrath picked a ball clean off the ground in the build up to a Tipp goal, which just might have been decisive. The play back clearly showed that the ball was picked off the ground and there was a system upstairs where Hawkeye is monitored. Why should the fourth official, who is in contact with the ref, not be able to inform his colleague of such a blatant foul of the ball.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2771 - 17/01/2021 09:56:59    2327786

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up."
Oh you better believe it.You're great if you manage to win one , less so if you win another shortly afterwards and after that you generally get the " ah hang on now " attitude and how can they be winning. What are they up to like and how has this happened.
Looking back at Kilkenny's most successful period was the same. They were basically despised by some who would rather see anyone win bar them hoors.
If Limerick win it again next year it will become worse again.
Tyrone got it in a big way in the football when they won 3 All Ireland's in the 00's and were basically told they were the ruination of football.Everyone can remember that " puke football " outburst from a certain Kerry man.
Dublin's historic achievements are basically being called " the death of football " and are largely going unheralded.
The bottom line is , most will be delighted for you as long as you don't win too often.
Everyone should get a medal mentality when we all know that's not how sport or life is.
It's always been that way though.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 17/01/2021 10:10:06    2327787

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ah to be fair I dont think very many ever said KK were destroying hurling. As someone who hated them as a young lad for their success, I for one would never once would have said they were destroying hurling. I did say other silly things because of my bitterness and didnt compliment as much as I should have but knew how good they were and how they played the game properly. Who said they were destroying the game?"
It just came up in discussions I had with mates and you'd see it on here too,, what annoyed me so much about that era was how meek the other counties were.
I rentmber the 2015 all Ireland final when kilkenny just totally out fought us in the 2nd half. Their players,, some of whom had 7 all Ireland medals wanted it more than our lads who had none.
I was disgusted lol but when I came on here afterwards you'd swear the cats had committed some sort of crime by winning.
Shefflin mentioned it in his book too.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 387 - 17/01/2021 10:12:26    2327788

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It's not just Limerick with the hand passing, they're all at it, richie hogan appeared to throw the ball to reid for a goal too. Everyone was raving about the goal but I was waiting for the throw to be highlighted, it wasn't.
Hurling is awful now.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 11:57:21    2327798

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Replying To gahfan:  "It's not just Limerick with the hand passing, they're all at it, richie hogan appeared to throw the ball to reid for a goal too. Everyone was raving about the goal but I was waiting for the throw to be highlighted, it wasn't.
Hurling is awful now."
So Hogan appeared to throw the ball you say. Why would you say appeared if you were sure?
Basically, you're not and you know it.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 17/01/2021 12:44:00    2327802

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Surprised Cody hasn't brought in a replacement for Carey must feel that Martin Comerford and James Mcgarry are contributing to the setup.

Question for Kilkenny fans was Comerford involved with any club teams before he was brought into the county setup?

Maroonforever (Galway) - Posts: 382 - 17/01/2021 12:55:18    2327803

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Replying To catch22:  "So Hogan appeared to throw the ball you say. Why would you say appeared if you were sure?
Basically, you're not and you know it."
Well it watched it several times to try to see a striking action but couldn't.
You seem determined to defend the current game of hurling or disagree with my view.
What's your own view? The steategic fouling? The emphasis on size and athleticism? The throwing? The steps? The cynical fouling?

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 14:03:56    2327805

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Replying To gahfan:  "Well it watched it several times to try to see a striking action but couldn't.
You seem determined to defend the current game of hurling or disagree with my view.
What's your own view? The steategic fouling? The emphasis on size and athleticism? The throwing? The steps? The cynical fouling?"
Well if you make a case for your point based on something that you cannot stand over then expect disagreement.
Also, you're suggesting that there are issues with the current game while failing to recognize that they have been part and parcel of it for decades. Stop digging lad.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 17/01/2021 14:31:11    2327809

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Replying To gahfan:  "Well it watched it several times to try to see a striking action but couldn't.
You seem determined to defend the current game of hurling or disagree with my view.
What's your own view? The steategic fouling? The emphasis on size and athleticism? The throwing? The steps? The cynical fouling?"
What's wrong with size and athleticism. This has been part of the game with decades. Going back to the fifties Wexford were a huge team and you could hardly say that the KK team of the early 21st Century were midgets. Apart from that players like Cian Lynch, Sean Finn, Mike and Peter Casey, Darragh O'Donovan, Graham Mulcahy, Ritchie Hogan and the two McGraths of Tipp are huge men, among others of similar stature from other counties, and they all seem to be well able to hold their own in the modern game.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2771 - 17/01/2021 15:21:29    2327812

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Replying To Maroonforever:  "Surprised Cody hasn't brought in a replacement for Carey must feel that Martin Comerford and James Mcgarry are contributing to the setup.

Question for Kilkenny fans was Comerford involved with any club teams before he was brought into the county setup?"
I heard Carey wanted to start Colin Fennelly in semi final. Cody overruled him. Carey was not happy with his say in picking team. That is why he walked.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 22 - 17/01/2021 15:26:03    2327813

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I hear what your saying but I think the current crop are just jaded from his system, nothing personal, I think players know whats ahead of them when they opt in, and if thats an overly strict regime, lads go along with it rather than embrace it, you have to embrace it to win, Colin Fennelly being replaced against Galway I think it was, he was the first player I ever seen coming off a Kilkenny team thinking his team were beaten (which they were at the time if Galway held their nerve)...it just told me he (Fennelly) had no answers and to give that body language infront of Cody to me was a no no...Cody would pick up on that and no more than others before him, Fennelly, for all his excellent talent could be banished to history...it would not surprise me.."
I dont think they are jaded they are just not as talented. The record most of the panel has at u20/1 just isnt as good as previous Kilkenny squads. If it wasnt for Cody they wouldn't have won Leinster last year or beaten Limerick the year before.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 17/01/2021 17:03:33    2327821

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Replying To gatha:  "Since 2015 Kilkenny have played in 3 All Irelands Finals won 1. Won 3 Leinster. Played in 4 semi finals won 3. This is with a team not considered as talented as the top 3 teams. If any manager has the confidence to say he will do as good fair play to him. There are a lot of managers out there right now that would love to have that record"
It's a credit to him that hes achieved all that with the panel he has currently.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 17/01/2021 17:05:31    2327822

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Spot on. Most of the things he is complaining about have gone on for decades. When was the steps rule ever rigidly applied and as regards fouling, when did full backs not foul if there was no other way of stopping the opposition getting goals. The only problem with some lads is that when a middle of the road county comes back to the top table and wins one All Ireland that is great. However if they win two and threaten to win a few more the what Anthony Daly described 'as the **** off back to Clare syndrome', which emerged when they won two, kicks in. I often said the idea was nonsense, now I am not so sure. One ex Kilkenny player, Brian Hogan, said without a hint of irony, that it was frightening what the current Limerick team might win. Really, his own county won eleven All Irelands in sixteen years and nobody said it 'was frightening' and I have seen similar such nonsensical statements made by other ex county players, who quite frankly should know better. Finally, there was an article in todays'Irish Independent' complaining 'How the success of Limerick hurlers is damaging Munster Rugby'. You really could not make it up."
Read that too. Only 8 Limerick men on the Munster panel. So what? Munster is a professional provincial team with players from all over world.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 17/01/2021 17:10:18    2327823

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Replying To gahfan:  "It's not just Limerick with the hand passing, they're all at it, richie hogan appeared to throw the ball to reid for a goal too. Everyone was raving about the goal but I was waiting for the throw to be highlighted, it wasn't.
Hurling is awful now."
Hand passes can get the ball moving quicker and that style can be exciting to watch. Agree about the cynical fouling though. If it prevents a goal chance it should result in a penalty. The game of hurling needs more goals.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 17/01/2021 17:14:06    2327824

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "I heard Carey wanted to start Colin Fennelly in semi final. Cody overruled him. Carey was not happy with his say in picking team. That is why he walked."
If he walked because of what you say he obviously hasnt the right temperament to be part of an inter county management team. The manager, Cody, has to have the last word on team selection. If it goes wrong hes the one who will get the blame. Besides against that Waterford team I'd say Cody knew Kilkenny needed to defend from the front back to match them. Fennelly is a good old fashioned centre forward but not mobile enough for that. Same as Walter Walsh. Horses for courses.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 17/01/2021 17:18:16    2327825

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Replying To catch22:  "Well if you make a case for your point based on something that you cannot stand over then expect disagreement.
Also, you're suggesting that there are issues with the current game while failing to recognize that they have been part and parcel of it for decades. Stop digging lad."
I can stand over it. Watch a hurling match. Watch the all Ireland final. They were throwing the ball to each other a few metres away. The refs seem to let it go. Possibly because it's done so fast or they've been shown how to get away with it.
Commentators don't mention it either. It has become the norm and accepted.
I much preferred hurling about ten years ago.
Now go away and watch some matches from 2020.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 17:31:35    2327828

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Replying To Viking66:  "If he walked because of what you say he obviously hasnt the right temperament to be part of an inter county management team. The manager, Cody, has to have the last word on team selection. If it goes wrong hes the one who will get the blame. Besides against that Waterford team I'd say Cody knew Kilkenny needed to defend from the front back to match them. Fennelly is a good old fashioned centre forward but not mobile enough for that. Same as Walter Walsh. Horses for courses."
Have to agree with you Viking, being part of a selection backroom panel means you have a say in team selection but you are just one voice and I really doubt that Carey left due to he being unhappy with one call on team selection.
Carey has been around a long time and knows how Cody works and highly unlikely that Carey left due to one call. Thrwre is too much history and I daresay respect between the 2 to have Carey leave on a flimsy excuse.
It's really remarkable that Brian still has the hunger energy and enthusiasm to still want to be there. And, it's still incredible that he won a Leinater last year. Yes Waterford recovered from a poor first half to beat the Cats but Coady still fully deserves to be still in charge.
Apart from his record, he does command full respect from players and he has a steady backroom team .
Limerick have stretched ahead with Galway not too far behind with Waterford not too far behind the Tribesmen.
After that it's a toss up with The Banner and Cork there and with probably a rejuvenated Tipp team , a Wexford and Dublin teams Kilkenny will command full respect from every team.
Hard to see when we will have any hurling again, but every team, every manager and every fan nationwide has massive respect for Cody.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1591 - 17/01/2021 17:58:00    2327829

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Replying To Viking66:  "Read that too. Only 8 Limerick men on the Munster panel. So what? Munster is a professional provincial team with players from all over world."
Exactly. The whole article, as far as I could see, was based on a rubbish argument.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2771 - 17/01/2021 18:02:26    2327831

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Replying To gahfan:  "I can stand over it. Watch a hurling match. Watch the all Ireland final. They were throwing the ball to each other a few metres away. The refs seem to let it go. Possibly because it's done so fast or they've been shown how to get away with it.
Commentators don't mention it either. It has become the norm and accepted.
I much preferred hurling about ten years ago.
Now go away and watch some matches from 2020."
You can't stand over it and you've proved that. You watched it numerous times trying to see the throw and couldn't.
Most of the issues you have with modern game have been present for decades. You've obviously not seen too many games pre 2000. Try looking at some and stop your spoofing.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1906 - 17/01/2021 19:21:54    2327843

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Replying To catch22:  "You can't stand over it and you've proved that. You watched it numerous times trying to see the throw and couldn't.
Most of the issues you have with modern game have been present for decades. You've obviously not seen too many games pre 2000. Try looking at some and stop your spoofing."
Incorrect. I watched it numerous times and could only see a throw. Anyway thay was just one example of many. It's rife in the game.
Throwing the ball was never in the game.
I think I've made my point at this stage.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 17/01/2021 20:26:58    2327855

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