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Proposals For 2Nd Tier Championship Pathetic

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Horan's legacy was more important. Tomas O'Shea made a good point. We need to find some way of combining the League and Championship. 2 games in the summer does nothing for development.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 20/10/2019 14:35:16    2244545

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I think your speaking for the minority there"
No, I think not. If you really want to watch a game, you'll watch it.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 574 - 20/10/2019 15:24:07    2244554

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "No, I think not. If you really want to watch a game, you'll watch it."
But it be handy if you could understand the commentary. Would it not??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17155 - 20/10/2019 18:11:53    2244583

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "No, I think not. If you really want to watch a game, you'll watch it."
Whatever you think

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 146 - 20/10/2019 18:34:43    2244588

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Replying To royaldunne:  "But it be handy if you could understand the commentary. Would it not??"
If I go to a game and sit in the stand, there's no commentary. It doesn't bother me

If I watch a game on TG4, it doesn't bother me that the commentary is in Irish.

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't speak much Irish. I certainly couldn't put a sentence together.. But I am learning a few words from TG4 to add to my vocabulary.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 413 - 20/10/2019 19:20:56    2244606

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At the moment counties use the League to have a look at new players for the c'ship. Once counties are knocked out of the c'ship and end up in this Shield competition, it may well be that they will now use that to look at young players to reinforce their squad for the League in the following Spring - in other words it could become an U21,22,23 competition.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 20/10/2019 19:27:43    2244609

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I was never a fan of this 2nd tier championship when I heard it was basically Tommy Murphy Cup 2.0, even though Galway are unlikely to be relegated to Div 3 any time soon. But I'm amazed counties who played in the TMC back in the day voted this through when they know how this kind of championship structure can become lifeless after a few years and not reduce a gap with the big counties

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 137 - 20/10/2019 19:52:19    2244616

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "If I go to a game and sit in the stand, there's no commentary. It doesn't bother me

If I watch a game on TG4, it doesn't bother me that the commentary is in Irish.

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't speak much Irish. I certainly couldn't put a sentence together.. But I am learning a few words from TG4 to add to my vocabulary."
Agreed. I had o level Irish anyway; football commentary, in any language, is hardly rocket science to understand.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 841 - 20/10/2019 20:57:31    2244637

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "If I go to a game and sit in the stand, there's no commentary. It doesn't bother me

If I watch a game on TG4, it doesn't bother me that the commentary is in Irish.

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't speak much Irish. I certainly couldn't put a sentence together.. But I am learning a few words from TG4 to add to my vocabulary."
Ahh goin to a game is different. You involved. Watching two teams play who you probably don't know the players. You need to understand it imo

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17155 - 21/10/2019 01:12:34    2244682

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Big fan of a two tier championship, not a big fan of the way this is implemented, essentially its keeping the problem of teams playing noncompetitive games in the provincials and then entering a different championship, its of no benefit to teams or the game in general. Change without any change really. Wasnt worth bothering with for the end result.

As for the advanced Mark absolute stupidity, it just undermines and robs us of some of those David Clifford points, wee he gets out in front and turns from an impossible angle and slots - those type of players who can do that will now become less effective as essentially everyone is getting a free shot for 15 seconds to catch a ball and a leg up finishing.

Perhaps the best bit of skill this year was Diarmuid Connollys pass into Ciaran Kilkenny in the second game, next year Kilkenny will just raise his hand, waste a bit of time and slot it over.

The game is the looser after congress this weekend. Essentially what we will get is brain dead forward play and about 3-4 sweepers. We are in for some grim years of football quality.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3850 - 21/10/2019 09:28:27    2244706

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This two tier championship just doesn't make any sense. The games that are not competitive tend to be in the early provincial rounds in all provinces. The qualifiers especially the first couple of rounds tend to be very competitive with counties involved trying to test themselves against the bigger names later on with the hope that they make improvements and can get into to that last 8. It's going to be like any competition where only a small number in any year have a chance of winning. What the powers that be want is just for the same names every year featuring to get the sponsorship and viewing figures. The inter county game is on it's last legs for many. The organisation has completely lost it's way.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 218 - 21/10/2019 11:20:39    2244729

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Big fan of a two tier championship, not a big fan of the way this is implemented, essentially its keeping the problem of teams playing noncompetitive games in the provincials and then entering a different championship, its of no benefit to teams or the game in general. Change without any change really. Wasnt worth bothering with for the end result.

As for the advanced Mark absolute stupidity, it just undermines and robs us of some of those David Clifford points, wee he gets out in front and turns from an impossible angle and slots - those type of players who can do that will now become less effective as essentially everyone is getting a free shot for 15 seconds to catch a ball and a leg up finishing.

Perhaps the best bit of skill this year was Diarmuid Connollys pass into Ciaran Kilkenny in the second game, next year Kilkenny will just raise his hand, waste a bit of time and slot it over.

The game is the looser after congress this weekend. Essentially what we will get is brain dead forward play and about 3-4 sweepers. We are in for some grim years of football quality."
Agree 100%. The Tier 2 championship structure is even worse than the Tommy Murphy version. As for the advanced mark, this will only encourage defensive football and make the game even more like Aussie Rules. A free shot at goal for catching the ball into your midriff!! Rediculous.

fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 21/10/2019 12:10:20    2244743

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I don't know what the answer is but a 2nd class championship won't do if nobody puts any value in winning it,
strange system they have in Kerry club football were junior and intermediate clubs form a team together to compete at senior level? at least that's what it sounded like from what the Gooch was saying Sat evening, maybe weaker counties could band together?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1167 - 21/10/2019 12:33:28    2244750

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't know what the answer is but a 2nd class championship won't do if nobody puts any value in winning it,
strange system they have in Kerry club football were junior and intermediate clubs form a team together to compete at senior level? at least that's what it sounded like from what the Gooch was saying Sat evening, maybe weaker counties could band together?"
I just can't see Clare agreeing to merge with Kerry!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 814 - 21/10/2019 13:03:46    2244765

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't know what the answer is but a 2nd class championship won't do if nobody puts any value in winning it,
strange system they have in Kerry club football were junior and intermediate clubs form a team together to compete at senior level? at least that's what it sounded like from what the Gooch was saying Sat evening, maybe weaker counties could band together?"
Around half the teams in the Kerry SFC are Divisional teams - East Kerry, South Kerry, West Kerry etc, and take their pick from a selection of clubs within their designated division. Looks like three divisional teams into the last four this year. The system seems to work well for them in bringing through talent from smaller clubs.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 135 - 21/10/2019 13:07:50    2244767

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what we have don't create something new.
Back door system brought in solely for the purpose of giving teams who have trained for months more than 1 game.
Round robin in each province does that with the top 2 teams playing the final these 2 teams go into all Ireland series no more SKY 8's.

As for levelling the playing field reduce the subs back down to 3, it will make it easier for the weaker teams to produce 18/20 top quality players, right now they have to produce 25 to compete.
reduce the game time by 5 min a half which will ease the burden on the players
restrict the ludicroius backroom teams to 5 manager/trainer/doctor/physio/kitman, you see some teams have 20 guys in the backroom team

All the above would help create a level playing field but obviously Funding is the biggest challenge as the GAA focus is on the elite and not the grass routes

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 229 - 21/10/2019 13:46:07    2244774

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How do you qualify for the 2nd tier competition?

Well, if you play in one of the lower divisions and lose a provincial championship match prior to the final, you get the Golden Ticket!!

Loaded with negativity, Tommy Murphy Cup on Speed. It didn't work the last time, why would any sane person think it would work this time?

Thank the Lord we have the League!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1098 - 21/10/2019 15:07:37    2244799

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In my opinion the best format would be an open draw champions league style competition.

Run off the provincial championships over a month and a half (Leinster the biggest province obviously).

Then once all is decided do an open draw for the all Ireland championship. 32 teams including London into groups of 4. With top 2 in each group qualifying. From here knockout championship football. A round of 16 then quarter finals etc

Don't have seed rankings, imagine a group with Carlow, Wicklow, wexford and Leitrim to get through to knockout football would be a serious encouragement. If Dublin Kerry Mayo and Galway we're in one group so be it.norbevem if Dublin we're drawn into a group with three minnows, imagine the craic if Dublin we're travelling to Fermanagh for a game or up to Belfast to play antrim

Allow each team one home game with the extra game being in a neutral provincial grounds. Give all the town's a huge boost.
Only an idea

rightsaidfred (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 21/10/2019 15:51:30    2244811

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Replying To neverright:  "At the moment counties use the League to have a look at new players for the c'ship. Once counties are knocked out of the c'ship and end up in this Shield competition, it may well be that they will now use that to look at young players to reinforce their squad for the League in the following Spring - in other words it could become an U21,22,23 competition."
I think you give the competition more meaning than what it will get. The vast majority of counties won't give any thought or analysis to the games. It's more likely managers will ask the Friday before a match who is available and trek to the field with barely 15 players.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 739 - 21/10/2019 16:38:37    2244819

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "I just can't see Clare agreeing to merge with Kerry!"
Why?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 21/10/2019 19:05:55    2244848

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