Should football revert back to 3 subs?

Does allowing 6 subs further widen the gap between the top teams and the rest (who have less depth in their squad)

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/04/2016 21:06:30    1849911

Should football revert back to 3 subs?
Does allowing 6 subs further widen the gap between the top teams and the rest (who have less depth in their squad)
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts:116 - 26/04/2016 21:06:30No because you would have issues with injuries and etc,
There should be a bench of maybe 8 players max and a team should be able to make 8 subs and any blood sub becomes a full sub after 10 minutes so if a player is off for a blood wound and isn't back on pitch in 10 minutes its a full sub and player cant come back on.
Reverting to 3 subs would be a terrible idea

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2016 21:44:54    1849926

Yes increasing the number of sub's allowed from 3 to 5 has played a significant role in widening the gap between the strong and the weak. It was always going to do that. It was a mistake to introduce the rule but it is one of those things that once it is introduced it is difficult if not impossible to imagine it ever being repealed.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 27/04/2016 09:47:58    1849961

It certainly helps the larger/ stronger countries and clubs but most changes do. Can't see it changing in fact I'd say the next change will be 6/8 interchange players law compromise rules

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 27/04/2016 15:55:38    1850169

Why don't we weigh all intercounty players, measure their heights, do bleep tests, see what they can bench press, check who kicks off left, right or both and then, Formula One-style, even out the standards of intercounty teams. The All Ireland All-inclusive Politically Correct Everyone's a Winner Football Championship they could call it. Sam Maguire would turn in his grave.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 27/04/2016 17:15:19    1850203

Good Man Green and Red .Lol.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 28/04/2016 13:40:19    1850421

Greenandred great post , my thinking exactly , this constant analysis of all things unfair is comical with the Master normally as the cheerleader . My club play this week in the championship club , most likely will lose but it hasn't stopped our lads working their ass off, but barring a miracle they will lose , we are a small club less resources and that's sport.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/04/2016 14:18:32    1850439

The game is so fast now you need to be able to bench 5 players. There has always been an advantage and disadvantage in the GAA and it's there across sport.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 28/04/2016 15:16:26    1850468

Greenandred great post , my thinking exactly , this constant analysis of all things unfair is comical with the Master normally as the cheerleader . My club play this week in the championship club , most likely will lose but it hasn't stopped our lads working their ass off, but barring a miracle they will lose , we are a small club less resources and that's sport.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3263 - 28/04/2016 14:18:32 1

I heard every club player in Dublin has their own personal trainer and car.......

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 28/04/2016 15:26:36    1850474

I heard every club player in Dublin has their own personal trainer and car.......

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts:1015 - 28/04/2016 15:26:36 1850474

Yeah, that's true alright Superglue, but some junior C footballers have to pay for their own petrol for the free cars which is very unfair. Thankfully Croke Park have promised a grant will be available soon to cover that ...........

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 28/04/2016 15:41:35    1850480

I heard every club player in Dublin has their own personal trainer and car.......

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts:1015 - 28/04/2016 15:26:36 1850474

Yeah, that's true alright Superglue, but some junior C footballers have to pay for their own petrol for the free cars which is very unfair. Thankfully Croke Park have promised a grant will be available soon to cover that ...........

AHP (Dublin) - Posts:117 - 28/04/2016 15:41:35 185

Great incentive for the junior C lads to up their game and get on the B team

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 28/04/2016 16:40:55    1850510

I would agree with the call to revert back to 3 subs. It is not related to some peoples problem with the capital. I think cynical fouls should be punished with a yellow card and a free-kick on the 21 yard line, straight in front of the goals. If a cynical foul outside the large square denies a clear goal scoring opportunity, it should be punished with a yellow card and a penalty though the foul was outside the large square. By awarding a penalty, the attacking team retains the goal scoring opportunity. It's not unusual in some other sports that a scoring opportunity would be presented in something of a similar situation.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 28/04/2016 18:58:58    1850546

My point here is the more subs you allow the deeper your panel has to be and this will inherently favour the stronger counties that have bigger playing populations.

Theres no reason why players cant play 70 minutes and the pace will naturally drop if there's less subs allowed.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 28/04/2016 20:48:13    1850568

My original post was not posted so.

Cluxton takes free kicks......people looking to ban keepers claiming it takes too long
Dublin win titles for the first time in 20 years..................take away all their money as this is why they are successful.
Dublin put huge effort over a decade to develop juvenile games so young players start coming through, panel strength grows .....so lets take away some subs.

Anything else, seems the split Dublin in 2 has gone out of fashion, must be something else we can do.

If this trend continues someone with start looking for Dublin to be banned altogether.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/04/2016 08:30:47    1850585

Should football revert back to 3 subs?
Does allowing 6 subs further widen the gap between the top teams and the rest (who have less depth in their squad)
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts:117 - 26/04/2016 21:06:30
Yes increasing the number of sub's allowed from 3 to 5 has played a significant role in widening the gap between the strong and the weak. It was always going to do that. It was a mistake to introduce the rule but it is one of those things that once it is introduced it is difficult if not impossible to imagine it ever being repealed.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:319 - 27/04/2016 09:47:58 I don't see how it was a mistake as the game has changed considerably in recent years - pace gone up, physicality gone up due to increased professionalism/changes and improvements in coaching, recovery times etc.
What should happen is teams should only name maybe 7-9 subs for a bench and they can then use all of the players on the bench for perhaps a limited number of subs say 12. So they can name 7/8 subs and make 12 changes during the game. Once they make 12 they cant make any more and if a player gets injured they go down to 14. This means you have stronger competition for players to make match day squad etc and helps weaker counties as less on bench - strength in depth.
Naming 11/16 ie whole squad/panel is ridiculous.
Why don't we weigh all intercounty players, measure their heights, do bleep tests, see what they can bench press, check who kicks off left, right or both and then, Formula One-style, even out the standards of intercounty teams. The All Ireland All-inclusive Politically Correct Everyone's a Winner Football Championship they could call it. Sam Maguire would turn in his grave.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2271 - 27/04/2016 17:15:19 Why is it nonsense. This isn't about standardising everything or being politically correct.
I would agree with the call to revert back to 3 subs. It is not related to some peoples problem with the capital. I think cynical fouls should be punished with a yellow card and a free-kick on the 21 yard line, straight in front of the goals. If a cynical foul outside the large square denies a clear goal scoring opportunity, it should be punished with a yellow card and a penalty though the foul was outside the large square. By awarding a penalty, the attacking team retains the goal scoring opportunity. It's not unusual in some other sports that a scoring opportunity would be presented in something of a similar situation.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts:4656 - 28/04/2016 18:58:58I don't think that's workable or any way better for the game.
My point here is the more subs you allow the deeper your panel has to be and this will inherently favour the stronger counties that have bigger playing populations.
Theres no reason why players cant play 70 minutes and the pace will naturally drop if there's less subs allowed.
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts:117 - 28/04/2016 20:48:13The game as a spectacle decreases and standards decrease if you reduce teams to 3 subs. What happens if you get 2/3 injuries early on in the game and cant make another sub? 3 subs is not enough. I think reducing numbers on bench to at max 6/7/8 and having a limited number of interchanges is the way to go. This helps all counties.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/04/2016 12:42:56    1850668