He's trumpeting his championship format that wouldn't have Sligo and Kildare involved in the Top 16. Once the Munster final went to a replay, the runner-up were always going to have only a week to recover. Get over it!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 29/07/2015 11:03:57    1760649

As a kerryman I can see why you wouldn't be in favor of the new format!

Uncle_Fester (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 29/07/2015 11:23:16    1760659

In fairness it was harsh on Cork that they only had 1 week to recover from a Munster final replay defeat.

IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 305 - 29/07/2015 11:27:07    1760667

Exactly Uncle Fest . Imagine Kerry had to play a number of tougher to make the last 8 . Obviously Kerry folk wouldn't concur with Jim. Must be nice beating division 3 sides to make a provincial final .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 29/07/2015 11:29:44    1760669

I think that placing teams in the first or second tier of Jim McGuinness's championship format based on one year's league results is unfair.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 29/07/2015 11:33:06    1760674

Jim in the running for the cork job

Midlu1 (Louth) - Posts: 790 - 29/07/2015 11:34:20    1760675

Exactly Uncle Fest . Imagine Kerry had to play a number of tougher to make the last 8 . Obviously Kerry folk wouldn't concur with Jim. Must be nice beating division 3 sides to make a provincial final .

Ask Dublin ;)

And quiet your own bellyaching, its up to YOUR County Board delegates to bring the Ulster GAA council to task about the structure of yer provincial championship which has no seeding and makes provincial champions play 3 games before a final!!

I see just now that Cuthbert has stepped down, no surprise...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 29/07/2015 11:41:50    1760677

All respect to Kerry,but if they happened to be in Ulster,theyd have far less All Irelands.Their lucky to be in a hurling province with only one real competitor in Cork.Any system with 5,6,9 & 12 counties in the provinces fighting for the All Ire is seriously flawed.Any competition where different counties have to win unequal amount of games to win the same prize is flawed beyond belief.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/07/2015 11:45:21    1760680

One thing that I thought of when reading Jim's quotes is this.

Should replays only be offered from the quarter finals onwards? If the Munster Final was decided on a golden score - first to score is the winner - there would be no short turnaround.

From the 1/4 finals onwards it is serious business as nobody is getting a second chance via defeat. So a second chance for a draw would be fair then.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 29/07/2015 11:45:25    1760681

New format most definitely needed. If only we could get one that would suit Kerry and give them bye into quarters to keep them happy...

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 29/07/2015 12:07:05    1760698

Cuedrocket all respect to the Ulster counties but if Kerry were in Ulster there would be less Ulster titles going around for the Ulster counties. The reason Kerry have so many All Irelands is because they are the best. Your argument could apply to Leinster and Dublin right now. Leinster football apart from Dublin is not in a good place at the moment and at least Kerry have to play some of their games away from home.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/07/2015 12:08:18    1760701

Yes other counties would have less ulsters but kerry would have even more to lose. Look at it this year. Very good chance there will be 4 Ulster teams in the last 8 and only 1 munster

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/07/2015 12:25:51    1760722

Yes greengrass,there would be less titles to other Ulster counties,but Kerry would have less too.100%.And Leinster is a tougher province to win over the years also.Not the last 10 years obviously,and that is worrying.But the previous 120 years.Lots of counties have been successful at certain times.And having twice the number of counties is obviously not a fair system,no matter what way anyone tries to butter it up.Every county should have to play the same number of games,like every other sport in the world.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/07/2015 12:35:09    1760730

There are many good points in it, and it would strengthen the league as well. We should at least consider it for a single season.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 29/07/2015 12:48:37    1760741

Funnily enough I actually support the McGuinness idea which is a forwarding of Sean Kelly's original idea! Kildare and Sligo is a forwarding of some people's criticisms of the format. If we lost the replay, we would only have had the week ourselves. Just the way it goes.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 29/07/2015 13:11:12    1760763

Jim McGuinness is correct in saying that Kildare's extra week gave them a huge advantage, they definitely looked the fresher team.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/07/2015 13:27:26    1760782

I like the Jim McGuinness proposal as it keeps the League and provincial championships relevant. Not everything about the proposal is perfect, as someone else pointed out it would exclude Kildare and Sligo this year. However no proposal is going to suit every team.

Anybody who thinks the current imbalanced system is fair is surely trying winding up the rest of us.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 29/07/2015 14:16:01    1760814

There's some merit to his proposal but his article was a sham. He lays every ounce of credit for Cork's deadest at the door of the 7-day turnaround. Not one word about how well Kildare played. See for yourselves
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-cork-victims-of-flawed-all-ireland-championship-format-1.2298938


He also references the loss of O'Connor and Loughrey without mentioning a) that Kildare lost their captain or that b) Loughrey gave away the black card to prevent a near-certain goal.


Of Kildare he says...


"Kildare lay in tatters after being obliterated in a Leinster semi-final but they had time to think about it and to re-evaluate and to bring people back together and then prepare to push again."


No Jim, that's the opposite of the truth. Kildare had a 6-day turnaround before playing their neighbours on their home patch. Rather than people being brought "back together", two players quit the panel.

But lookit, the narrative is king.

Count_Awesome (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 29/07/2015 14:37:42    1760833

GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 2022

1760782 Jim McGuinness is correct in saying that Kildare's extra week gave them a huge advantage, they definitely looked the fresher team

Kildare had only 6 days to recover from the thumping from Dublin before playing Offaly who had won their last game. They had to dig deep to win it but managed it. The problem was not the 7 day turnaround for Cork but the 2 week break between the draw and replay against Kerry. Replays are usually a week later, why was this one different?
Interesting that all pundits still reckoned Cork would win on saturday!

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 29/07/2015 14:51:16    1760843

I disagree with Jim's assertion that being beaten in the first round gives you an advantage over beaten provincial finalists.

Out of 224 first round losers, 1 has won the All Ireland. In comparison, 56 beaten finalists have produced 2 winners; not spectacular but still 8 times better strike rate than first round losers.

Winning each round in the provincial championship greatly increases your chances of winning Sam.

tommy58 (Dublin) - Posts: 169 - 29/07/2015 16:06:55    1760900