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Nice Post Pope Benedict....hopefully some of the white smoke will blow up the N17 towards the malcontent Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 24/05/2012 13:59:32 1179594 Link 0 |
Well the definition came from pat spillane. He labelled the type of play tyrone used as puke football. In fairness to the guy the attacking in waves wasnt really part of their game when he christened it upon them. So his definition would have been defending in numbers, exceptional fitness and intensity, emphasis on good tackling ability, engineering frees, diving, disguised fouling, provoking opponents, targetting opponents and finally, and most importantly, teamwork in all of the above. That is what was christened puke football. I have no issue with the first 4, even 5 parts, it is just the rest that I have the problem with, apart from the teamwork obviously. They were all very much part of the gameplan that was christened puke football, so when describing puke football you cant talk about 2 or 3, and ignore the other parts. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/05/2012 14:14:05 1179612 Link 0 |
Given that balanced definition why are they not before the Hague for War crimes. Never thought of Mickey Harte as Mladic "The Butcher of Glencull" ...nice ring to it. Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 24/05/2012 14:28:04 1179634 Link 0 |
Tyronetim, no i wasnt proud of the few incidents of that one game. Were you proud of 10 years of all of the above? TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/05/2012 16:30:35 1179756 Link 0 |
'So his definition would have been defending in numbers, exceptional fitness and intensity, emphasis on good tackling ability, engineering frees, diving, disguised fouling, provoking opponents, targetting opponents and finally, and most importantly, teamwork in all of the above.' pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/05/2012 16:58:25 1179791 Link 0 |
TheMaster, I think that's way too elaborate a definition. The phrase 'puke football', I believe, was simply coined by Pat Spillane after Tyrone's display of group tackling in the 2003 semi-final against Kerry. You had that famous clip of play, where Daire O'Se couldn't offload a ball under the Hogan Stand, because there were 5 Tyrone lads hounding him, not fouling him mind you. Then you had further clips of sad looking Kerrymen in the stands, having lost the 2002 final to Armagh, but unable to find the antidote for Tyrone ravenous hunger on the day. At the end of 70mins, it was back to studio, for the impartial opinion of another irate Kerryman, and the term 'puke football' was born. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3384 - 24/05/2012 17:06:51 1179804 Link 0 |
Oh a few incidents..there goes that balance thing again. Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 24/05/2012 17:43:44 1179851 Link 0 |
For some when they refer to Donegal and Puke Football they mention handpassing, when Al_Maguire presents the stats from last years championship & shows that Kerry for example in more than one game had a huge amount of handpasses, because it undermines their point then some instead switch their attention to fouling. Again the stats from last season shows the games with the most fouls involved teams such as Tyrone & Dublin. We remember the Kildare selector in the press trying to influence the referee in regards to perceived "cynical fouling" by Donegal and think back to extra time & the men that were actually engaged in the majority of the fouling while trying to hold on for the win. So then some switch to the number of Donegal men in defence, now there's no question that in the semi final against Dublin Donegal was ultra defensive & many of us Donegal people believe that had we committed more men to attack in the 2nd half we would have reached the final but lets not ignore Dublin keeping 4 men in defence to look after Donegal's sole forward, hardly adventurous football. Percy.Pringle (Donegal) - Posts: 26 - 24/05/2012 17:52:19 1179861 Link 0 |
tyronetim, i didnt ask you were you proud of their achievements, just like you didnt ask me was i proud of mayos achievements. I was decent enough to answer the question you asked, obviously that is where we differ. As for puke football not existing, well obviously it does because there are plenty, including many tyrone men, discussing it at length, but I suppose denying its existence has its perks for you. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/05/2012 18:51:39 1179907 Link 0 |
Percy where should have the 4 Dublin defenders have gone? The full back line for Dublin was to play in the full back line that day , so tell me please where should they have gone????Should they have left mick fitz one on one with McFadden and go up to the already congested Donegal back line or what? Seriously man you had 13 men in defence where else would the Dublin defenders fit you couldn't move up there as it was. Dublin defenders held there positions on the pitch like any other team would playing against Donegal that day. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/05/2012 20:49:02 1179970 Link 0 |
how do the donegal lads work out which jersey is theirs is what id like to know surely 15 NO.1 must cause some confusion before a game ;-) dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 24/05/2012 21:31:06 1180016 Link 0 |
Clondalkin - you are acting as if the way Donegal set out that day was a complete shock for Dublin where in reality it was not at all. If the 4 defenders in the full back line were meant to play in the full back line then thats just poor management. In the days up to the game Pat Gilroy was asked how he would deal with the system and he said he had a plan to counteract it - not a very good one as it turned out benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 25/05/2012 10:18:42 1180156 Link 0 |
Benjy we were ready for the defensive game you played all year but in the semi final you brought it to another level that we weren't expecting so stop talking rubbish. You had 13 men behind the ball how the hell could another 4 players for go up there? They would have been in the way. Rory O Carroll is a full back if he went by the half way line he would get a nose bleed. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 25/05/2012 10:53:14 1180188 Link 0 |
So in essence you are saying that your players were not versatile enough to adapt? Is this not what any opposition should do - try to take the other team out of their comfort zone? So really you are saying that Donegal did not play the formation that Dublin wanted them to....call me crazy but I think that counts as good tactics benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 25/05/2012 11:03:49 1180201 Link 0 |
tyronetim, i didnt ask you were you proud of their achievements, just like you didnt ask me was i proud of mayos achievements. I was decent enough to answer the question you asked, obviously that is where we differ. As for puke football not existing, well obviously it does because there are plenty, including many tyrone men, discussing it at length, but I suppose denying its existence has its perks for you. Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 25/05/2012 14:13:24 1180364 Link 0 |
Percy Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 25/05/2012 14:19:13 1180368 Link 0 |
Ok bengjy if that makes you feel better then great the Only thing is we won the game. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 25/05/2012 14:26:33 1180378 Link 0 |
I think this is a silly argument. I dont believe its that bad to be honest. I think Donegal have had some very intense games. Honestly I love good defensive play and now everytime donegal turnover possession the crowd cheer which makes it nearly more exciting (For Donegal Supporters). dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 25/05/2012 14:45:43 1180394 Link 0 |
It doesnt make me feel better or worse, thats just how it is. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 25/05/2012 14:49:16 1180400 Link 0 |
benjyyy dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 25/05/2012 16:46:50 1180530 Link 0 |