Westmeath - 2017 SFC

The milk is already spilt lads.

JohnyDuncan (UK) - Posts:44 - 07/09/2017 22:42:46   2044016

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Replying To Slippery590:  "Any word from the westmeath CCCC meeting tonight regarding fixture changes"
Will be interesting to see what has come out of this meeting.
If the members of the CCCC have a shred of integrity they will insist on the original championship dates standing.

You dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to see this fixture change for what it is - a blatant attempt by high powered members of the bounty board to facilitate their own clubs, with complete disregard for other clubs.
There is simply no other plausible reason for a change, when you consider that both football and hurling championships are on schedule.

It's a complete farce.

VegasXV (USA) - Posts:1 - 08/09/2017 00:22:00   2044037

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Replying To VegasXV:  "Will be interesting to see what has come out of this meeting.
If the members of the CCCC have a shred of integrity they will insist on the original championship dates standing.

You dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to see this fixture change for what it is - a blatant attempt by high powered members of the bounty board to facilitate their own clubs, with complete disregard for other clubs.
There is simply no other plausible reason for a change, when you consider that both football and hurling championships are on schedule.

It's a complete farce."
That's a load of crap, if your referring to ger egan been back for tyrrellspass. He is already back and if the game was on this weekend he would be starting. Iv never heard such nonsense in my life. Know your facts before throwing out such baloney.

Paddyfla19 (Westmeath) - Posts:45 - 08/09/2017 14:49:10   2044200

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Replying To VegasXV:  "Will be interesting to see what has come out of this meeting.
If the members of the CCCC have a shred of integrity they will insist on the original championship dates standing.

You dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to see this fixture change for what it is - a blatant attempt by high powered members of the bounty board to facilitate their own clubs, with complete disregard for other clubs.
There is simply no other plausible reason for a change, when you consider that both football and hurling championships are on schedule.

It's a complete farce."
Never heard such baloney . This is all to do with the hurling clubs reaching semi and Finals
If for instance Raharney,Clonkill or Castletowngeo was in the Final and county board went with orginal fixtures them clubs would look to get them games put back anyway.. Re Killucan,The Downs,Kinnegad Malackeys,Ect which they can be in Finals as well .. as I said there is no problem delaying fixtures for 2 weeks

nearlymadeit (Westmeath) - Posts:28 - 08/09/2017 15:45:33   2044218

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Replying To nearlymadeit:  "Never heard such baloney . This is all to do with the hurling clubs reaching semi and Finals
If for instance Raharney,Clonkill or Castletowngeo was in the Final and county board went with orginal fixtures them clubs would look to get them games put back anyway.. Re Killucan,The Downs,Kinnegad Malackeys,Ect which they can be in Finals as well .. as I said there is no problem delaying fixtures for 2 weeks"
That's bull the county hurling final is the week after the quarter finals. What dual player does that suit...

Dote (Westmeath) - Posts:190 - 08/09/2017 18:11:59   2044255

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I think in general the fixtures have gone well this year (up until this point) - for whatever reason unknown to most and without explanation fixtures and plans have changed - mainly due to dual players I would think -which is fair enough.
The thing that gets me and which has always been an issue in my book is the unwillingness be that of the county board or the county management team to play club championship fixtures while the inter-county championship is on-going (During breaks and gaps) It was in the past the case where we would play a couple of games before the championship and then wait a couple of months and play after, which was a complete joke but now we are at a point where we are waiting to see how our intercounty team gets on before fast tracking the championship to get finished by September.
I know its hard to please everyone but look at other counties like Donegal and Dublin who year in year out play club championship games during the inter county championship - when there is a gap or a known break they arrange championship based around the intercounty master fixture list. This is beneficial to both club and county players club players do not lose interest and inter county players end up with a shorter year and are at the prime of their fitness playing club championship and not exhausted after an intercounty championship- it is now the case that we will struggle to get fished by beginning of October. I agree their has to be a happy medium found but from speaking to a current county player recently he said they all have issue with the way it always drags out with their club after the intercounty ends. It essentially means that a large amount of players have seasons that run the whole way through without a massive break maybe a month max if any depending on club progression. Surely we should look at other county models ?? Thoughts??

willyagodown (Westmeath) - Posts:6 - 09/09/2017 10:32:16   2044326

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Replying To willyagodown:  "I think in general the fixtures have gone well this year (up until this point) - for whatever reason unknown to most and without explanation fixtures and plans have changed - mainly due to dual players I would think -which is fair enough.
The thing that gets me and which has always been an issue in my book is the unwillingness be that of the county board or the county management team to play club championship fixtures while the inter-county championship is on-going (During breaks and gaps) It was in the past the case where we would play a couple of games before the championship and then wait a couple of months and play after, which was a complete joke but now we are at a point where we are waiting to see how our intercounty team gets on before fast tracking the championship to get finished by September.
I know its hard to please everyone but look at other counties like Donegal and Dublin who year in year out play club championship games during the inter county championship - when there is a gap or a known break they arrange championship based around the intercounty master fixture list. This is beneficial to both club and county players club players do not lose interest and inter county players end up with a shorter year and are at the prime of their fitness playing club championship and not exhausted after an intercounty championship- it is now the case that we will struggle to get fished by beginning of October. I agree their has to be a happy medium found but from speaking to a current county player recently he said they all have issue with the way it always drags out with their club after the intercounty ends. It essentially means that a large amount of players have seasons that run the whole way through without a massive break maybe a month max if any depending on club progression. Surely we should look at other county models ?? Thoughts??"
Dublin do quite the opposite to what you state. They tend to run off a 3 week championship blitz in October. And clubs are guaranteed only 1 championship game.
Finishing our championships any earlier would put our county champions at a distinct disadvantage in Leinster. The overall calendar problem is Croke Park issue.
My main issue with the county board right now is a communication one. How difficult would it be to explain why they have made changes to the fixture plan? The passage of information is almost non existent

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts:223 - 09/09/2017 11:00:18   2044337

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Official explanation as per email from County Board:
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Please be advised that the changes to the final stages of the various championships were made to accommodate dual players within clubs in the county.
Take as an example the following clubs Clonkill, Crookedwood, Cullion, Castletown Geo, Raharney, Bunbrosna, Coralstown-Kinnegad, Kilbeggan Shamrocks, Killucan, St.Malachys & The Downs, who have all qualified for the final stages of their respective competitions, and all with a crossover of players between these clubs, therefor it was not possible to complete the competitions as per the original plan.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts:449 - 09/09/2017 20:30:28   2044468

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another example of why wm hurling and football continues to fall behind. the current fixture set up actually worked, however this latest change reflects the county boards ambition of keeping westmeath as a division 3/4 county. both senior hurling and football were hammered out of the championship early; now we have this? also heard another reason for the push was a few senior players from a certain mullingar club going on holiday abroad (members of which dominate county board).

Rossieruan (Westmeath) - Posts:59 - 10/09/2017 15:29:38   2044632

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Replying To BigSur:  "Official explanation as per email from County Board:
***NOTE***
Please be advised that the changes to the final stages of the various championships were made to accommodate dual players within clubs in the county.
Take as an example the following clubs Clonkill, Crookedwood, Cullion, Castletown Geo, Raharney, Bunbrosna, Coralstown-Kinnegad, Kilbeggan Shamrocks, Killucan, St.Malachys & The Downs, who have all qualified for the final stages of their respective competitions, and all with a crossover of players between these clubs, therefor it was not possible to complete the competitions as per the original plan."
So basically what they're saying is they forgot dual players existed when the original fixtures plan came out? Joke of an excuse!

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts:57 - 11/09/2017 08:21:48   2044787

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Replying To Wmeath2:  "So basically what they're saying is they forgot dual players existed when the original fixtures plan came out? Joke of an excuse!"
The championships up to to now have been largely a big success but The CCC if they had a little knowledge would surely have felt it probable that Raharney and Castletown would be serious contenders in senior hurling and the Wood in intermediate. it is clear now that we need to start the championships a little earlier,which will allow more space at this time of year for dual players, run the under 21 in early September when the majority of clubs are out of senior.It will never be perfect but it would be another impprovement

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts:421 - 11/09/2017 10:19:22   2044822

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but lads here earlier in the year said that club players should be able to play two games a week and didn't recovery time
now all of a sudden everyone needs recovery time

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts:1404 - 11/09/2017 15:13:53   2044953

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I would like to see some of the experts on this forum getting involved with the Fixtures planning for the county. Some of ye out there have nearly all the solutions but where there is no solution just blame the County Board!
The role of the fixtures secretary and his committee is an absolutely thankless job. When everything is going well everyone is happy but when it changes everyone blames the CB.
The dual players are dual players by choice. They realise the pressure that will be on them especially if their clubs are fortunate enough to be still involved at the business end of the year. For years we have heard all about player burn out and the concerns expressed on this and other fora. Now when there is an opportunity to move a few games back to give the dual players a chance of recovery between games, everyone is whinging about it. Get over it!!!!

tazz (Westmeath) - Posts:36 - 12/09/2017 12:10:21   2045212

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Replying To tazz:  "I would like to see some of the experts on this forum getting involved with the Fixtures planning for the county. Some of ye out there have nearly all the solutions but where there is no solution just blame the County Board!
The role of the fixtures secretary and his committee is an absolutely thankless job. When everything is going well everyone is happy but when it changes everyone blames the CB.
The dual players are dual players by choice. They realise the pressure that will be on them especially if their clubs are fortunate enough to be still involved at the business end of the year. For years we have heard all about player burn out and the concerns expressed on this and other fora. Now when there is an opportunity to move a few games back to give the dual players a chance of recovery between games, everyone is whinging about it. Get over it!!!!"
So burnout is only an issue once we get to knockout stages? I'm sure a lot of dual players can see the irony in this as there was no consideration given to them in the group stages.Concern for dual players is NOT the reason the championship was put back. Concerns about having full strength squads for the semi finals IS the reason.

kingfixer (All) - Posts:39 - 12/09/2017 13:14:17   2045237

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Bun vs Malachys...Bun will win this
Killucan vs Kinnegad....tough one to call,killucan are on a downward spiral and are a very limited football team,kinnegad should have too much for them
Athlone vs the downs.....athlone should win this handy
cfcw vs moate.....moate will win this,too much youth and energy

footiemad (Westmeath) - Posts:690 - 20/09/2017 11:02:38   2048469

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Replying To footiemad:  "Bun vs Malachys...Bun will win this
Killucan vs Kinnegad....tough one to call,killucan are on a downward spiral and are a very limited football team,kinnegad should have too much for them
Athlone vs the downs.....athlone should win this handy
cfcw vs moate.....moate will win this,too much youth and energy"
Killucan on a downward spiral?

Think malachys will take Bun
Multy to beat athlone
The downs to beat athlone
Kinnegad to pip killucan in a dour game

Dote (Westmeath) - Posts:190 - 20/09/2017 18:48:25   2048702

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Athlone vs Downs- I can see this actually being a tight affair but Athlone should come out with 2/3 points to spare
Killucan vs Kinnegad- With Kinnegad setting up so defensive I can see this being a cagey affair.. I can see Killucan breaking them down in the second half and winning by 4/5 points
Malachys vs Bun-This game really could go either way. Ruane will be abig loss for Malachys and going on the championship so far Malachys are relying a lot on an ageing Budda,who Simon Moorehead should be able to handle. I predict a draw in this one.
Moate vs CFCW-Moate started the year as favourites to get of their group but yet find themselves in a relegation playoff.. Moate have some fine young footballers on their side and should win comfortably but I wouldn't write off Finea,there's one big game left in them. Bold call but I'm Guna back Finea to win by a point

Westmeathking (Westmeath) - Posts:22 - 21/09/2017 00:19:34   2048845

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The Downs v Athlone should be a cracking match very hard call but going to go with The Downs just.

Kinegead v Kilucan is also very hard call two teams that are set up very well and both are hard bet going to go with Kilucan just.

Bun v St Malachys Bun to win by 2,3 points.

Moate v C/F/C/W Moate to win by 5 plus they really won't want to go down again with all the work put in at underage and think they will have too much for an ageing side in finea.

iarmhi919 (Westmeath) - Posts:195 - 21/09/2017 20:03:57   2049146

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The Downs v Athlone should be a cracking match very hard call but going to go with The Downs just.

Kinegead v Kilucan is also very hard call two teams that are set up very well and both are hard bet going to go with Kilucan just.

Bun v St Malachys Bun to win by 2,3 points.

Moate v C/F/C/W Moate to win by 5 plus they really won't want to go down again with all the work put in at underage and think they will have too much for an ageing side in finea.

iarmhi919 (Westmeath) - Posts:195 - 21/09/2017 20:57:10   2049164

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Replying To iarmhi919:  "The Downs v Athlone should be a cracking match very hard call but going to go with The Downs just.

Kinegead v Kilucan is also very hard call two teams that are set up very well and both are hard bet going to go with Kilucan just.

Bun v St Malachys Bun to win by 2,3 points.

Moate v C/F/C/W Moate to win by 5 plus they really won't want to go down again with all the work put in at underage and think they will have too much for an ageing side in finea."
Comfortable win for Kinnegad this evening 0-13 to -5 having led 0-9 to 0-1 at the break.
They now play Lomans in semi and no-one will give them a chance but I think they'll put it up to the champs !

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts:449 - 23/09/2017 23:08:30   2049776

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