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Someone may have posted this already, but does anyone know why the hurlers & footballers are fixed for 2 different venues this Sunday?
I saw Martin Ennis saying in Chronicle that he had hoped the hurlers could play before footballers in Navan this Sunday but "that didn't work out." I really wondered why it didn't work out...

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/01/2017 09:10:38    1943420

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "Someone may have posted this already, but does anyone know why the hurlers & footballers are fixed for 2 different venues this Sunday?
I saw Martin Ennis saying in Chronicle that he had hoped the hurlers could play before footballers in Navan this Sunday but "that didn't work out." I really wondered why it didn't work out..."
Stupid imo,maybe saving the pitch,but most fans would have liked to have seen both games.In fact the times clash too,so it is one or the other..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/01/2017 09:50:05    1943433

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Stupid imo,maybe saving the pitch,but most fans would have liked to have seen both games.In fact the times clash too,so it is one or the other.."
It's my understanding that the CB has the discretion to change the venue/throw-in time if they see fit. Also I've seen a few Meath fans asking @MeathGAA on Twitter was it not possible to play the games in the one venue, but no response was forthcoming.

Look maybe Offaly didn't want to play at 12:30 or whatever, but I don't think it's asking too much for an explanation to be given. A lot of people would want to see both games.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/01/2017 10:18:56    1943438

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "It's my understanding that the CB has the discretion to change the venue/throw-in time if they see fit. Also I've seen a few Meath fans asking @MeathGAA on Twitter was it not possible to play the games in the one venue, but no response was forthcoming.

Look maybe Offaly didn't want to play at 12:30 or whatever, but I don't think it's asking too much for an explanation to be given. A lot of people would want to see both games."
Exactly if that is the case,then people would accept that.But to give no reasoning is purely ignorant and also silence is always suspect..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/01/2017 11:40:03    1943466

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Exactly if that is the case,then people would accept that.But to give no reasoning is purely ignorant and also silence is always suspect.."
100%. But that seems to be the attitude of a lot of CBs. "Sure why would we tell the public anything, let's keep everything under wraps..." kinda thing. I don't understand it myself. But it's showing no sign of changing.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/01/2017 12:24:59    1943484

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It's pretty obvious that the CB didn't want two games on Pairc Tailteann pitch, exception should have being made for this first round of O'Byrne/Walsh Cup fixtures as both are attractive to Meath supporters and also encourage a strong support for the year right from the first game, Andys' first game in charge and hurlers taken on a higher level county like Offaly would of being a nice double header. The other rounds could of then be played at separate venues to protect pitches.

Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 06/01/2017 13:22:15    1943502

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It's pretty obvious that the CB didn't want two games on Pairc Tailteann pitch, exception should have being made for this first round of O'Byrne/Walsh Cup fixtures as both are attractive to Meath supporters and also encourage a strong support for the year right from the first game, Andys' first game in charge and hurlers taken on a higher level county like Offaly would of being a nice double header. The other rounds could of then be played at separate venues to protect pitches.

Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 06/01/2017 13:22:15    1943503

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Replying To Redsalltheway:  "It's pretty obvious that the CB didn't want two games on Pairc Tailteann pitch, exception should have being made for this first round of O'Byrne/Walsh Cup fixtures as both are attractive to Meath supporters and also encourage a strong support for the year right from the first game, Andys' first game in charge and hurlers taken on a higher level county like Offaly would of being a nice double header. The other rounds could of then be played at separate venues to protect pitches."
That's one possible explanation. But we've had one of the mildest winters that I can recall, so I personally don't think that can be used as an excuse, esp when Meath are playing in Ashbourne in midweek and away next weekend, so PT is getting plenty of time to recover.

But we're all just supposing. It would be nice if the CB gave a straight answer.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/01/2017 14:53:47    1943526

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I'd don't think Meath county board get to choose when and where they play, they'd have to run it by Leinster council first. Otherwise counties could make ridiculous demands of their opponents just because they have home advantage.

I'd say it's the case that Offaly couldn't make a 12:15 throw in, or maybe didn't want to have to leave 2 hours earlier just to suit Meath.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1642 - 06/01/2017 17:58:50    1943563

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Its a gaa thing in general from the bottom level to the top "hush hush" dont tell the people anything then we cant be questioned,, change ur attitude gaa,, while some people still care

otherlad (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 06/01/2017 20:54:47    1943603

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seriously disapointed about the double header off, a huge amount of people are similar. hurlers would have got a huge reception. the amount of north meath people from places like castletown, kilmainhamwood, rathkenny that i seen in croker for the two christy ring finals was unreal. just goes to show when the hurlers become succesful people will travel and support just like dublin hurlers

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 06/01/2017 21:32:42    1943615

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Replying To dickie10:  "seriously disapointed about the double header off, a huge amount of people are similar. hurlers would have got a huge reception. the amount of north meath people from places like castletown, kilmainhamwood, rathkenny that i seen in croker for the two christy ring finals was unreal. just goes to show when the hurlers become succesful people will travel and support just like dublin hurlers"
I agree Dickie. If there is a it of a buzz about the team, people will support them, even if they are not from traditional hurling areas. Kids from these non traditional areas will also happily play the game, if they are given the chance to do so. The question is, how do we bring hurling to the kids of Castletown, and Kilmainhamwood and Rathkenny (and Nobber and Oldcastle, and Slane, and Kentstown, and Duleek, and Laytown, and Stamullen)

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 06/01/2017 22:00:39    1943621

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "I'd don't think Meath county board get to choose when and where they play, they'd have to run it by Leinster council first. Otherwise counties could make ridiculous demands of their opponents just because they have home advantage.

I'd say it's the case that Offaly couldn't make a 12:15 throw in, or maybe didn't want to have to leave 2 hours earlier just to suit Meath."
Wexford have fixed both of their games as double-header, so to say the CB can't do anything isn't right. They have discretion. Now I accept that Wex are playing UCD in both football and hurling, so it suits all parties, but that's beside the point. The least Meath CB could do is explain why they couldn't do the same. That's the least people deserve surely.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/01/2017 22:02:18    1943622

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "Wexford have fixed both of their games as double-header, so to say the CB can't do anything isn't right. They have discretion. Now I accept that Wex are playing UCD in both football and hurling, so it suits all parties, but that's beside the point. The least Meath CB could do is explain why they couldn't do the same. That's the least people deserve surely."
Is it not a Leinster council fixture and like the Leinster championship they decide

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 06/01/2017 23:53:12    1943653

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "I agree Dickie. If there is a it of a buzz about the team, people will support them, even if they are not from traditional hurling areas. Kids from these non traditional areas will also happily play the game, if they are given the chance to do so. The question is, how do we bring hurling to the kids of Castletown, and Kilmainhamwood and Rathkenny (and Nobber and Oldcastle, and Slane, and Kentstown, and Duleek, and Laytown, and Stamullen)"
Well to be honest those areas need to improve at football first never mind hurling!! Football should and will be the only focus in those areas!

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 932 - 07/01/2017 00:43:01    1943661

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "I agree Dickie. If there is a it of a buzz about the team, people will support them, even if they are not from traditional hurling areas. Kids from these non traditional areas will also happily play the game, if they are given the chance to do so. The question is, how do we bring hurling to the kids of Castletown, and Kilmainhamwood and Rathkenny (and Nobber and Oldcastle, and Slane, and Kentstown, and Duleek, and Laytown, and Stamullen)"
There are clubs in these areas for youngsters to avail of, and I'm sure they would if interest was generated from a more successful county team. St pats in stamullen dropped out of the intermediate championship last year. There are Rathkenny lads with Wolfe Tones and Kilskyre/ moylagh cover oldcastle and Ballinlough areas. Just saying there is a decent spread of clubs accross the county.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 07/01/2017 08:39:40    1943668

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "I agree Dickie. If there is a it of a buzz about the team, people will support them, even if they are not from traditional hurling areas. Kids from these non traditional areas will also happily play the game, if they are given the chance to do so. The question is, how do we bring hurling to the kids of Castletown, and Kilmainhamwood and Rathkenny (and Nobber and Oldcastle, and Slane, and Kentstown, and Duleek, and Laytown, and Stamullen)"
The Tones provide hurling for the people of Rathkenny, Castletown, Carlanstown etc

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 07/01/2017 08:54:28    1943669

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Replying To Royalace:  "There are clubs in these areas for youngsters to avail of, and I'm sure they would if interest was generated from a more successful county team. St pats in stamullen dropped out of the intermediate championship last year. There are Rathkenny lads with Wolfe Tones and Kilskyre/ moylagh cover oldcastle and Ballinlough areas. Just saying there is a decent spread of clubs accross the county."
Really? Exactly what hurling club is there in Slane for youngsters there to avail of? Or Duleek? Or Kentstown? Or Kilmainhamwood? Or Syddan? Or Drumconrath?
St. Colmcilles and St Pats combined to play at U-12/U-13 level last year so at least the kids there got a chance to play. Moylagh didn't field at all at underage. Where are the kids in Oldcastle all playing their hurling?
I am genuinely not trying to knock Meath hurling. Although I'm a recent convert to the small ball, I would love to see Meath do well, and I would love to see all the kids in the county getting an opportunity to play the game. At present that it not happening.
The M3 roughly divides the county in half, going from South-east to North-west. By my rough calculations, there are 3 clubs on the M3 (Kells Navan and Drumree. There are 15 clubs to the west of the M3, and 3 (Ratoath Ashbourne and Wolfe Tones) to the east of it (4 if you generously include St Pats). How is that a good spread of clubs throughout the county?
I know that if kids really want to play hurling, their parents can drive them 10-15 miles to the nearest club to play. The reality though is that that only happens with a relatively small number of kids, either whose parents are avid hurling supporters or who themselves really get into the game for whatever reason. But the numbers are small. Most kids from parishes without a hurling club, or where hurling is not played in the school, just won't get an opportunity to play. And that has to change.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 07/01/2017 21:16:08    1943859

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Really? Exactly what hurling club is there in Slane for youngsters there to avail of? Or Duleek? Or Kentstown? Or Kilmainhamwood? Or Syddan? Or Drumconrath?
St. Colmcilles and St Pats combined to play at U-12/U-13 level last year so at least the kids there got a chance to play. Moylagh didn't field at all at underage. Where are the kids in Oldcastle all playing their hurling?
I am genuinely not trying to knock Meath hurling. Although I'm a recent convert to the small ball, I would love to see Meath do well, and I would love to see all the kids in the county getting an opportunity to play the game. At present that it not happening.
The M3 roughly divides the county in half, going from South-east to North-west. By my rough calculations, there are 3 clubs on the M3 (Kells Navan and Drumree. There are 15 clubs to the west of the M3, and 3 (Ratoath Ashbourne and Wolfe Tones) to the east of it (4 if you generously include St Pats). How is that a good spread of clubs throughout the county?
I know that if kids really want to play hurling, their parents can drive them 10-15 miles to the nearest club to play. The reality though is that that only happens with a relatively small number of kids, either whose parents are avid hurling supporters or who themselves really get into the game for whatever reason. But the numbers are small. Most kids from parishes without a hurling club, or where hurling is not played in the school, just won't get an opportunity to play. And that has to change."
You are right there is practically no chance at the moment or in the past for a child from north meath to play hurling. Kells at the present seem to have little or no underage set Moylagh/ Kilskyre are the same. Tones appear to try but join with Omahonys which prompts me to say that Navan have little drive to promote underage hurling. So really from Sloane to ballinacree there is very little activity . Drumconrath had a bit of a go 10 years ago but faded away
Is it the county boards fault ? maybe the hurling board should be more active. There should be at least 3 clubs across that area one around Oldcastle another in the Moynalty carlanstiwn nobber Kwood area anothe in Syddan drumconrath Slane but that would need a minimum of 12 hurling men 1 from each club to drive it but sadly they are not there

numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 08/01/2017 09:22:48    1943901

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most hurling people seem to want to keep it status quo in case they have more competition, teams like athboy, boardsmill, rathmolyon dont want to be shown up by a new team, thats whats going to happen with ratoath

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 08/01/2017 20:18:07    1944095

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