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Lads does anyone else think this is a total disgrace on many fronts . 1. Teams have been preparing to face teams for weeks and then get told 2 weeks before championship you will face someone else surely this cannot be accepted . 2. Teams like moynalty and clonard are planning for junior a championship to be told two weeks before that there not anymore and are junior b now. Totally unacceptable. Although both deserve to be junior b as they didn't win a championship and we're relegated 3. Really shows up the county board as they have brought on this whole fiasco because they couldn't adapt the rules properly 4. Big clubs like simonstown call the shots as they brought there objection forward and once again big clubs overshadowed the smaller clubs 5. If big clubs 2nd teams didn't take junior championship for granted over the last few years then this would not be a issue they have made the junior championship a joke. Where too from now shows what people think of the small clubs really shows the bigger clubs have the power Penben (Meath) - Posts: 7 - 26/04/2017 12:13:40 1982829 Link
Replying To Penben: "Lads does anyone else think this is a total disgrace on many fronts . 1. Teams have been preparing to face teams for weeks and then get told 2 weeks before championship you will face someone else surely this cannot be accepted . 2. Teams like moynalty and clonard are planning for junior a championship to be told two weeks before that there not anymore and are junior b now. Totally unacceptable. Although both deserve to be junior b as they didn't win a championship and we're relegated 3. Really shows up the county board as they have brought on this whole fiasco because they couldn't adapt the rules properly 4. Big clubs like simonstown call the shots as they brought there objection forward and once again big clubs overshadowed the smaller clubs 5. If big clubs 2nd teams didn't take junior championship for granted over the last few years then this would not be a issue they have made the junior championship a joke. Where too from now shows what people think of the small clubs really shows the bigger clubs have the power" I'm not surprised really. The county board have shown numerous times over the years their inability to implement change in the correct way. I have no problem with the changes but it should always be in the following year and allow enough time for debate and discussion. I dont think it will affect clubs too much in terms of preparation. They will still be playing championship - just against someone else. I doubt Junior A & B have been studying videos of the opposition for the past month! It does look to me that the current administration is winging it! LetuceBFrank (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 26/04/2017 12:52:25 1982852 Link
Amateur hour again. Nothing surprises me pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 26/04/2017 13:11:48 1982859 Link
Replying To Penben: "Lads does anyone else think this is a total disgrace on many fronts . 1. Teams have been preparing to face teams for weeks and then get told 2 weeks before championship you will face someone else surely this cannot be accepted . 2. Teams like moynalty and clonard are planning for junior a championship to be told two weeks before that there not anymore and are junior b now. Totally unacceptable. Although both deserve to be junior b as they didn't win a championship and we're relegated 3. Really shows up the county board as they have brought on this whole fiasco because they couldn't adapt the rules properly 4. Big clubs like simonstown call the shots as they brought there objection forward and once again big clubs overshadowed the smaller clubs 5. If big clubs 2nd teams didn't take junior championship for granted over the last few years then this would not be a issue they have made the junior championship a joke. Where too from now shows what people think of the small clubs really shows the bigger clubs have the power" 4. Big clubs like simonstown call the shots as they brought there objection forward and once again big clubs overshadowed the smaller clubs >> sorry, but I don't really get why this is relevant? If there was an administrative error at the top table surrounding the draws then does it matter who raised it? No, it doesn't. If anything we should be thanking Simonstown for highlighting the shambolic processes being applied by the County Board. So that's 2 years in a row there has been complete chaos over county championship draws. Embarrassing. BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 26/04/2017 14:26:15 1982895 Link
Replying To LetuceBFrank: "I'm not surprised really. The county board have shown numerous times over the years their inability to implement change in the correct way. I have no problem with the changes but it should always be in the following year and allow enough time for debate and discussion. I dont think it will affect clubs too much in terms of preparation. They will still be playing championship - just against someone else. I doubt Junior A & B have been studying videos of the opposition for the past month! It does look to me that the current administration is winging it!" Why would jnr teams or there management be any different to senior or inter.any managers worth there salt would b going see the teams they playing.obviously ur from the so called big club f.ck the rest of us.this is what is wrong in Meath no level playing field if ur any pull in the county board you can do what you like.this is a full joke of a thing no respect to players or clubs at junior level.if this wot going on now god help us when they start pairc tailteann we are a joke on the national stage.from top to bottom its amateur hour. Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 26/04/2017 14:51:12 1982908 Link
Replying To Reco: "Why would jnr teams or there management be any different to senior or inter.any managers worth there salt would b going see the teams they playing.obviously ur from the so called big club f.ck the rest of us.this is what is wrong in Meath no level playing field if ur any pull in the county board you can do what you like.this is a full joke of a thing no respect to players or clubs at junior level.if this wot going on now god help us when they start pairc tailteann we are a joke on the national stage.from top to bottom its amateur hour." The whole situation is farcical. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. It was my point but how much is it really going to affect teams? Everyone has a very good idea of what to expect off each team in each grade if they follow leagues and form closely. League games are all played around the same time so it is near impossible to get out to see other teams playing. It is an embarrassment yet again that our county board don't think these things through fully before bringing them in. Without wanting to go off point, the lack of knowledge is happening in all facets of the county admin -fixtures, discipline hearings, etc. PS - I'm not form a 'big' club. LetuceBFrank (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 26/04/2017 15:19:07 1982919 Link
While the new junior plan was reasonably well thought out it should never have been applied for this years championship. Expecting teams that were not relegated last year as per the rules to simply accept this new situation was never going to happen. Simonstown were right to appeal as any team would if faced with the same situation. Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 26/04/2017 15:59:15 1982935 Link
Replying To LetuceBFrank: "The whole situation is farcical. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. It was my point but how much is it really going to affect teams? Everyone has a very good idea of what to expect off each team in each grade if they follow leagues and form closely. League games are all played around the same time so it is near impossible to get out to see other teams playing. It is an embarrassment yet again that our county board don't think these things through fully before bringing them in. Without wanting to go off point, the lack of knowledge is happening in all facets of the county admin -fixtures, discipline hearings, etc. PS - I'm not form a 'big' club." Again from coach manager point of view ur focusing on a specific team gearing ur training ,challenges, in house games to that first game.now by the time this draw is made you have prob 4 training sessions to do if you from dual club less.if your not looking at the team your playing in my book your selling your players and the club short.picture yourself trying get a plan tactics for the last month now your talking something completely different based on this other team you play.is one or 2 weeks fair to any club.not in my book. Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 26/04/2017 17:43:46 1982960 Link
So: 1. A club reckoned Meath county board were breaking the rules by forcibly relegating them in between seasons. 2. The club appealed to Croke Park and were proven right 3. This is somehow the clubs fault for being right? CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1644 - 26/04/2017 17:51:22 1982966 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "So: 1. A club reckoned Meath county board were breaking the rules by forcibly relegating them in between seasons. 2. The club appealed to Croke Park and were proven right 3. This is somehow the clubs fault for being right?" It makes me wonder what else has gone on over the years that hasn't been noticed... BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 26/04/2017 18:16:36 1982974 Link
Why has the club waited for this length of time to appeal surely they had issues on this months ago. Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 26/04/2017 18:18:53 1982975 Link
Totally unfair on whatever teams are relegated and they should oppose it. At this stage this proposal should have been for 2018 and at least then all second strings would know that the two worst performers this year would go down. Clonard should also be down as they were legitimately relegated. Find it hard to believe Moynalty volunteered to go up That is a post I put up in January and there is a thread on subject on page 4 of forum threads. Many of us said and could see that what was done was wrong from the outset Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 26/04/2017 20:08:58 1982994 Link
Who do you think is the county board that is allegedly to blame for this? None other than your own club delegates. Ibbecek (Meath) - Posts: 196 - 26/04/2017 20:14:19 1982997 Link
Replying To Ibbecek: "Who do you think is the county board that is allegedly to blame for this? None other than your own club delegates." Valid point. But the majority of delegates are yes men who row in like nodding dogs and do what they are told. A good old traditional irish trait Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 26/04/2017 20:29:53 1983000 Link
Replying To Analyst: "Totally unfair on whatever teams are relegated and they should oppose it. At this stage this proposal should have been for 2018 and at least then all second strings would know that the two worst performers this year would go down. Clonard should also be down as they were legitimately relegated. Find it hard to believe Moynalty volunteered to go up That is a post I put up in January and there is a thread on subject on page 4 of forum threads. Many of us said and could see that what was done was wrong from the outset" Except that we don't know that two second teams will be relegated after the end of this years championship. There are currently 8 second teams in the Junior A championship, and next year there can only be six. Simple enough, the worst two second teams get relegated, to leave six. But what happens if a second team wins the Junior B? If you promote them to Junior A, then three second teams will need to be relegated to keep the numbers right. If you don't promote the Junior B winners, then they will object. And what happens if Donaghmore/Ashbourne's second team get relegated from intermediate? Again too many second teams in Junior A, so another one would have to be relegated to keep the numbers right. So in order to keep 6 second teams in Junior A, it is possible that you could have to relegate 4 of the eight teams currently in it. Or 3, or 2. And second teams might not know until after the Junior B final, or intermediate relegation final, whether they have been relegated or not. Its a mess. anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 26/04/2017 20:37:06 1983001 Link
It doesn't surprise me what goes on at county board level,too many yes men.Look at what happened with the lights at Pairc Tailteann,they signed off without getting a guarantee of so many years and look what happened. jake1 (Meath) - Posts: 268 - 26/04/2017 21:48:18 1983020 Link
Replying To BarneysTie: "4. Big clubs like simonstown call the shots as they brought there objection forward and once again big clubs overshadowed the smaller clubs >> sorry, but I don't really get why this is relevant? If there was an administrative error at the top table surrounding the draws then does it matter who raised it? No, it doesn't. If anything we should be thanking Simonstown for highlighting the shambolic processes being applied by the County Board. So that's 2 years in a row there has been complete chaos over county championship draws. Embarrassing." OK simonstown had every right to object to this my problem with it is that they want things done right when it affects them and can get decisions changed on the fact there such a big club . It's a pity they haven't cared this much when playing in the junior championship as they havent treated the junior championship with respect Reason why all second teams should be in a championship made up of only 2nd team. But this won't happen as big clubs won't allow it and the smaller junior teams doesn't matter Anyway it's a total fiasco that should not be happening the county board should face the chop all of them Reason why meath football is very poor . Penben (Meath) - Posts: 7 - 27/04/2017 00:01:11 1983044 Link
Replying To anfearbeag: "Except that we don't know that two second teams will be relegated after the end of this years championship. There are currently 8 second teams in the Junior A championship, and next year there can only be six. Simple enough, the worst two second teams get relegated, to leave six. But what happens if a second team wins the Junior B? If you promote them to Junior A, then three second teams will need to be relegated to keep the numbers right. If you don't promote the Junior B winners, then they will object. And what happens if Donaghmore/Ashbourne's second team get relegated from intermediate? Again too many second teams in Junior A, so another one would have to be relegated to keep the numbers right. So in order to keep 6 second teams in Junior A, it is possible that you could have to relegate 4 of the eight teams currently in it. Or 3, or 2. And second teams might not know until after the Junior B final, or intermediate relegation final, whether they have been relegated or not. Its a mess." All good points you make. The simple way of sorting it out would be that the worst 2 teams go down at the end of 2017. Regardless of what else happens all second teams whether that be 5, 6 or 7 are grouped together for 2018. We have had unbalanced groups before. Remember this is being done because some clubs think it's not fair for their first team to play another clubs second string..... Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 27/04/2017 08:17:22 1983055 Link
I thought the changes made would be for the good of the two grades but it was always unfair to apply the changes retrospectively. The county board obviously banked on two "second teams" volunteering to demote themselves to Junior B which didn't happen. Simonstown were within their rights to take it all the way to Croke Park and that's why it took until now. The only solution in my eyes is for a B championship for second teams. Senior, Inter, Junior made up of all clubs in the county. Senior B, Inter B and Junior B for the second teams. Probably more pride in winning a Senior B championship than a Junior A for a club second team. Possibly have more competitive championships with lads playing at similar levels whereas now you have senior lads playing Junior B for example if they are eligible whereas they could be better off playing against other senior players in a Senior B group. Clubs like Navan and D/A can still field multiple teams in the B championships. This would also help with the issue of having a second team relegated / 3rd team promoted or another combination of results ending with a club having two teams at the same grade. Whilst it could still happen there is less likely to be an issue of stating in the competition rules that this cannot happen when it affects the B championship. We can blame the county board but at the end of the day the club delegates voted it in and this is the second year in a row our own delegates have voted in championship changes that have been overturned. Issues are obviously not thoroughly thought out and discussed within clubs and delegates are left to make decisions themselves and vote with the herd on the night. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 27/04/2017 08:41:02 1983059 Link
What grade do Moynalty and Clonard start off in now? Junior A or Junior B? RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 27/04/2017 08:42:53 1983062 Link