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Replying To Royal_Gunner:  "Plenty of obstacles yet before this project gets started.
It will need the full support from the clubs and without this there will be a cascading negative effect on the project.
If clubs do not commit to the funding proposals then the county board won't have a recurring revenue model which will be required to secure lending from financial institutions.

Hopefully the clubs back the project but it will be a potential burden on many clubs."
There is no doubt that the clubs will support any reasonable proposal, We have to be imaginative, just to say that every club no matter what size or situation has to pay the a levy of the same every year for 20 years is nonsense, it is very easy to say that Pairc Tailteann needs to be done and thats it. The reality is that most clubs do great work in upgrading and maintaining their own facilities through hard work and fundraising and are to the pin of their collar to to that. Every funding model proposal should be on the table. The GAA is a cash rich organisation, the bulk of the money should be coming from Croke Park and Sports Capital Money
Naming rights should 100% be sold. Could we raise €300,000/€500,000 over 10 years for this???

Can we not look at trying to sell 10 year tickets which allow people to access all club games for a 10 year period (this is in practice the clubs paying as they will be down the money at the gate but a less painful way) I'm sure we can get 2000 to commit €100 per year for this if it is pushed, that is €1,000,000 over 10 years.

The clubs already pay a Dunganny levy of €1500 for Senior Clubs, €1200 for Intermediate and €900 for Junior Clubs. this is approx €75,000 per year, Realistically this could be doubled so that is another €750,000 over 10 years. ( I think clubs would go for this as it is affordable...just)

This is in an around €2,000,000 over 10 years,

I'm sure that in the corporate end of things more can be done, even small things like the advertising hoardings around the pitch, There are very few spots full at the moment, Im sure that you can charge €300 minumum a year and have 100 around the pitch, that is €30,000 per year or €300,000 over 10 years.

The County should have a commercial manager to look after the business of it, a good one would pay his or her salary 10 times over. We are missing out on so much revenue. In fairness now we are trying to do things properly but we are starting from a mile behind where we should have been,

These are only some suggestions and would require a lot of work and buy in but I think they are realistic

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 141 - 06/02/2018 14:39:09    2074590

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Replying To longroadback:  "There is no doubt that the clubs will support any reasonable proposal, We have to be imaginative, just to say that every club no matter what size or situation has to pay the a levy of the same every year for 20 years is nonsense, it is very easy to say that Pairc Tailteann needs to be done and thats it. The reality is that most clubs do great work in upgrading and maintaining their own facilities through hard work and fundraising and are to the pin of their collar to to that. Every funding model proposal should be on the table. The GAA is a cash rich organisation, the bulk of the money should be coming from Croke Park and Sports Capital Money
Naming rights should 100% be sold. Could we raise €300,000/€500,000 over 10 years for this???

Can we not look at trying to sell 10 year tickets which allow people to access all club games for a 10 year period (this is in practice the clubs paying as they will be down the money at the gate but a less painful way) I'm sure we can get 2000 to commit €100 per year for this if it is pushed, that is €1,000,000 over 10 years.

The clubs already pay a Dunganny levy of €1500 for Senior Clubs, €1200 for Intermediate and €900 for Junior Clubs. this is approx €75,000 per year, Realistically this could be doubled so that is another €750,000 over 10 years. ( I think clubs would go for this as it is affordable...just)

This is in an around €2,000,000 over 10 years,

I'm sure that in the corporate end of things more can be done, even small things like the advertising hoardings around the pitch, There are very few spots full at the moment, Im sure that you can charge €300 minumum a year and have 100 around the pitch, that is €30,000 per year or €300,000 over 10 years.

The County should have a commercial manager to look after the business of it, a good one would pay his or her salary 10 times over. We are missing out on so much revenue. In fairness now we are trying to do things properly but we are starting from a mile behind where we should have been,

These are only some suggestions and would require a lot of work and buy in but I think they are realistic"
I agree with most of your points above.
The current levies for Dunganny are manageable but the proposed increase is towards the €5-7k per year albeit with the mechanism for selling tickets to cover this. This would be very difficult for most clubs without impacting on their own ability to fundraise not only for capital projects but also day to day operating expenses.

Naming rights is being explored but the idea of €300-500k over 10 years is absolutely bonkers.

5/10 year tickets will be available but you need the stand built first for this revenue stream to kick in.

Commercial manager being looked at also I believe for the reasons mentioned in your post.

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 516 - 06/02/2018 15:43:29    2074598

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Replying To Royal_Gunner:  "I agree with most of your points above.
The current levies for Dunganny are manageable but the proposed increase is towards the €5-7k per year albeit with the mechanism for selling tickets to cover this. This would be very difficult for most clubs without impacting on their own ability to fundraise not only for capital projects but also day to day operating expenses.

Naming rights is being explored but the idea of €300-500k over 10 years is absolutely bonkers.

5/10 year tickets will be available but you need the stand built first for this revenue stream to kick in.

Commercial manager being looked at also I believe for the reasons mentioned in your post."
Innovate pay Wexford €40,000 per year so don't think it is bonkers at all, I'm sure with all the Multinational Companies in or near Meath it would represent a reasonable investment, d
The 10 year tickets can be sold now... I mean tickets for all Meath venues not only PT,

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 141 - 06/02/2018 16:39:29    2074615

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Naming rights is well worth looking into, anything that can help us along here should be considered.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 7822 - 06/02/2018 18:19:10    2074633

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Replying To Htaem:  "Naming rights is well worth looking into, anything that can help us along here should be considered."
Yes agree

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13014 - 06/02/2018 19:46:19    2074643

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Replying To Royal_Gunner:  "I agree with most of your points above.
The current levies for Dunganny are manageable but the proposed increase is towards the €5-7k per year albeit with the mechanism for selling tickets to cover this. This would be very difficult for most clubs without impacting on their own ability to fundraise not only for capital projects but also day to day operating expenses.

Naming rights is being explored but the idea of €300-500k over 10 years is absolutely bonkers.

5/10 year tickets will be available but you need the stand built first for this revenue stream to kick in.

Commercial manager being looked at also I believe for the reasons mentioned in your post."
I agree with you and add; the total development will cost in excess of 20m (and I just hope that there are terraces at both ends-not unwanted expensive stands). Now 40k per year over 10 years is 400k which is peanuts in terms of the overall cost. I would not change the name unless some company was prepared to put up 50% of the total cost of development. I would allow different stands (and terraces) to be given a sponsors name. Some folk obviously are prepared to sell the rights cheap for a few bucks.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1721 - 07/02/2018 00:44:12    2074713

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Naming rights are certainly worth looking at and seeing as what is proposed is a brand new stadium which should get its fair share of fixtures (a lot more than it does now) the asking price for naming rights should reflect that. A lot will depend on what funding comes from the proposed government fund for major sports arena development in which PT has been mentioned alongside Dalymount and the RDS. If I understand it Central Council have committed €4 million and Leinster Council €1 million (Leinster Council should be much more than that I believe) which totals €5 million out of the reported €10 million cost of phase 1, it is possible that with this special fund and possible increase of grants from the GAA that phase 1 could be covered without entering any debt or burdening the clubs and I don't think that's an unrealistic ask seeing as this is a facility not just for Meath but for Leinster and the GAA nationally, this part of the world has a dearth of fit for purpose stadia, PT is providing the solution. If retail units are included in some parts of the stand, which was reported to be the case, then this is potentially another valuable, and unique, revenue stream and all options should be looked at and I agree that stadium advertising could be much enhanced than what's there at the minute. I have a feeling we won't end up with an all seater stadium and terracing will be a part of the stadium behind the goal ends which personally I am fine with, two 7000 capacity stands on either side will give us one of the highest seated, and covered, capacity of any ground around and two well built terraces with cover also provided, would do the job just fine but we shall see what's decided on. Things may move quickly going forward as Seamus Kenny stated in an interview at the weekend that work could now possibly start before the end of this year so expect to see things being racheted up a gear or two in the coming months, once clubs aren't over stretched then I think they will do all they can to progress this development which, when completed or even partially completed will become a revenue stream in itself

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3080 - 07/02/2018 15:10:45    2074813

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Replying To browncows:  "I agree with you and add; the total development will cost in excess of 20m (and I just hope that there are terraces at both ends-not unwanted expensive stands). Now 40k per year over 10 years is 400k which is peanuts in terms of the overall cost. I would not change the name unless some company was prepared to put up 50% of the total cost of development. I would allow different stands (and terraces) to be given a sponsors name. Some folk obviously are prepared to sell the rights cheap for a few bucks."
Personally I do like terraces at either end myself, we'll see how things go, it may not end up as 4 stands.

As for naming rights, sure look, why not consider it, if nothing else it could help towards maintenance costs.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 7822 - 07/02/2018 16:13:27    2074830

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http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2018/02/07/4151827-vital-meeting-for-tailtean-next-monday-night/

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1344 - 07/02/2018 19:51:35    2074888

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New proposal for the clubs is a big step forward from the development committee and should see all clubs backing the proposal next Monday night.
It removes the massive burden they were looking at putting on clubs.

Having the full backing of the clubs will be key in getting financial commitment from Leinster Council, Croke Park and others.

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 516 - 09/02/2018 08:44:04    2075180

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Have not read any of this thread but my opinion is we don't need a development on this scale,one new stand would have been sufficient like Tullamore,i cant imagine us getting any big games that will fill the place,will probably have two of the stands closed the whole time,just my opinion.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 15/02/2018 19:14:26    2077217

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http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2018/03/09/4153222-tailteann-development-goes-to-next-phase/

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1344 - 09/03/2018 16:23:35    2082984

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Replying To GlasagusOr:  "http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2018/03/09/4153222-tailteann-development-goes-to-next-phase/"
Pitch been widened and lengthened is good news too.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13014 - 09/03/2018 18:35:55    2083006

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