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Kerry 2022-Current Team Better Than 04-09 Team? - 3 Like(s)
Replying To legendzxix: "The 2010s was a non vintage decade. 03-09 was the last great era." Don't agree but if you think so surely there were other "non vintage" eras for teams to go 5 or 6, but I suppose Ciarraigh were unlucky to come up against the "generational one in a row" Offaly teaming '82?
sligo joe (National) - 28/07/2026 21:40:05
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Kerry 2022-Current Team Better Than 04-09 Team? - 3 Like(s)
Tyrone 03-09 and Kerry 04-09 were great teams. Kerry 21-26 are not a great team.
Kerry saw in 15 and 19 that Dublin were not a great team. Even outside of 23, Dublin saw in 22 and again in the 26 semi final that Kerry 21-26 are not a great team. There are no qualms about it.
legendzxix (National) - 29/07/2026 09:35:53
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Kerry 2022-Current Team Better Than 04-09 Team? - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "Good teams win All Ireland's.
Even better teams win back2back.
Legendary teams win 5 in a Row.
Best team of all time wins 6 in a row…" You're way off with that statement. Football in the 20 teens wasn't football compared to the 00s or the present day football. How many of that Dublin team would get on a top team of today or back in the 00s? They couldn't even kick points from outside the 21 yard line. They handpassed their way into the square. Not blaming Dublin, teams let them do it and the more they won the more scared other teams got.
Saynothing (National) - 29/07/2026 08:27:29
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David Clifford The Goat - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "Definitely up there with the greats but some from his neck of the woods have a chip on their shoulder about him…! . Every team would want him, But….
This topic is about him being the GOAT.
He is Not." Who is so Fionn? I have nt seen a better baller.I wish he was a Dub.I ve me him and he is a sound bloke.Most of the great reckon he is the best and hard to argue with it.Barney hit nail on head,Kerry without the brothers Clifford are very ordinary.
I went to see him in a club match a few years ago with a Kerry mate and I thought I was seen things magical.Met him after the game after he spent about an hour signing jersey and doin selfies.A different man off the pitch and a big man.Very friendly and down to earth.
brayballer (National) - 29/07/2026 18:15:28
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Limerick & Kerry For The Double - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "Maybe their 40th is not far away, and those t-shirts can be updated, but…. as I already said, as a friend of mine from Galway messaged me - "this Kerry team will now always be remembered as the team that lost an All Ireland Final to Mayo…"." Galways championship record against Kerry is atrocious, as was Dublins before the GAA stepped in (wink wink).
Your Galway friend I promise would gladly take 39 all Ireland titles if it meant being the team who lost to Mayo in an All-Ireland final.
Seniorleague (National) - 29/07/2026 16:25:24
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Kerry All Ireland Champions 2026? - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Saynothing: "Definitely not, this Mayo team of 2026 wouldn't have left a couple of All Irelands behind a few years ago. And I'll include 2021 in that." Ah no chance. Player for player the Mayo team of 2016/17 was a lot better than the current crop. The current crop on Sunday showed unbelievable desire to get over the line but not many people are talking about the Kerry performance and how bad they were.
What other team can kick 4/14 two pointers, lose 10/12 of second half kickouts and still win?! An elite opposition who turn up and perform to even 80% of their potential would have capitalised on those errors by Mayo on Sunday in my opinion and eked out the win. Again Mayo were excellent in a lot of areas but their mistakes and lack of accuracy just were not punished at all.
TrueBlue35 (National) - 29/07/2026 10:18:16
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David Clifford The Goat - 2 Like(s)
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Question for your Barney - would you trust David in particular to drag you out of a deep hole when backs are really against the wall? Genuine question so no right or wrong answer!
I know when we were struggling over the years in big games then its in those moments that the best of the best come to the fore i.e. think James McCarthy simply refusing to lie down in a few massive games over the years. I think Paudie has shown more of those never say die qualities than David and again last Sunday. That's why the "GOAT" conversation isn't as cut and dried in my mind compared to a lot of peoples. He undoubtedly has the skill level to eclipse a lot of what we have seen over the years but those other less tangible qualities in terms of leadership and resilience I'm just not sure he is at that elite 1% level...yet." I would if he was surrounded by Connolly, Kilkenny, the Brogans, Con, Fenton etc, etc! Or indeed by the Gooch, Declan O'Sullivan, Star and the boys.
My point is that is he outstanding on what minus himself and Paudie C is a very average team that would not have won either All Ireland without them. Which is not true of better Kerry teams or better Dublin teams who survived big injury and other losses because they had better players.
DC is undoubtedly up there with the greats and his performance was surely among the 3/4 best of any player on Sunday.
BarneyGrant (National) - 29/07/2026 16:00:19
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David Clifford The Goat - 2 Like(s)
Replying To BarneyGrant: "David and Paudie emerge with reputations enhanced after Sunday.
The sobering thought for Kerry people is that while David is undoubtedly cementing his reputation as one of the greats, that he is playing on a team that without the brothers and a few others is mediocre. Take them away and Mayo would have hammered them.
I'd include Tom Sullivan among the really good players but injuries caught up with him when he was motoring well enough on Sunday and had to be pulled." Question for your Barney - would you trust David in particular to drag you out of a deep hole when backs are really against the wall? Genuine question so no right or wrong answer!
I know when we were struggling over the years in big games then its in those moments that the best of the best come to the fore i.e. think James McCarthy simply refusing to lie down in a few massive games over the years. I think Paudie has shown more of those never say die qualities than David and again last Sunday. That's why the "GOAT" conversation isn't as cut and dried in my mind compared to a lot of peoples. He undoubtedly has the skill level to eclipse a lot of what we have seen over the years but those other less tangible qualities in terms of leadership and resilience I'm just not sure he is at that elite 1% level...yet.
TrueBlue35 (National) - 29/07/2026 14:19:00
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Kerry All Ireland Champions 2026? - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "100%
As good and determined as Mayo were, Kerry will be kicking themselves at how poor they were and how one dimensional they were. They could have been easily 10 points up in that first half. But they were awful in that 2nd half and in truth Mayo should have won by more if Mayo had taken all their chances.
For the Mayo goal, 4 Kerry players were sent to the shops by Ryan. He slalomed by them.
But full credit to Mayo.
It was some victory." All you Dublin posters are putting forward your argument to suit the old Dublin team. The old Dublin team of the teens wasn't as good as you are making out. You wouldn't say Kerry were poor in the final where was it Conn got the ball from the throw in and ran through for a goal with Kerry players standing looking at him. Dublin got 4 All Irelands gave to them in that decade.
Saynothing (National) - 29/07/2026 11:34:11
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Kinvara: "He scored one of the greatest points in AI final history when his team needed him most on Sunday" Missed a two pointer near the end when his team needed him most. He's a great player no doubt. The greatest is Matt Connor Offaly.
endgame (National) - 29/07/2026 19:45:33
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Kerry All Ireland Champions 2026? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To TrueBlue35: "I was having this very conversation with a Donegal man in work this morning coincidentally. I think there will be a finely tuned version of this and there will be a balance found. Similar to when Jim Gavin had the Dubs pouring forward in 2013 & 2014 he had to find some sort of balance and fine tune the system which ultimately proved so successful after that. I think Andy Moran has certainly found a new angle to getting the job done but they were also fortunate the last day to get away with that much wastefulness. In reality he will develop it further to ensure the gamble as you say is not so high risk.
I think other counties will experiment but I'm not sure we are going to see everyone trying the same thing." You also have to consider the season or the big knock out game it doesn't work in..."they missed too many 2 pointers"or "they burned themselves out with 20 minutes to go". Then u will hear, "they should have been patient and held onto the ball, they should have sat back a bit for a while, they should have been content to score 1 pointers" etc.
It's all about practicing the high press. Then training using it and nothing else. Gambling basically.
Donegalman (National) - 29/07/2026 14:12:39
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Mayo All Ireland Champions 2026! - 1 Like(s)
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Spot on." I agree and there are more comments here re Mayo finishing 3rd in the league this year.
But.. after Mayo were humiliated by Ross and rode their luck hugely in Clones v Monaghan, did anyone see Mayo winning an AI? I don't think so. Remember, most pundits tipped Louth to beat Mayo while the bookies had Mayo very slight favourites in that game.
So in that context is is a big shock.
Cbar (National) - 29/07/2026 14:17:39
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
Replying To BarneyGrant: "David and Paudie emerge with reputations enhanced after Sunday.
The sobering thought for Kerry people is that while David is undoubtedly cementing his reputation as one of the greats, that he is playing on a team that without the brothers and a few others is mediocre. Take them away and Mayo would have hammered them.
I'd include Tom Sullivan among the really good players but injuries caught up with him when he was motoring well enough on Sunday and had to be pulled." I agree with a lot of what you say, but I also think it's possible that Kerry have just become too reliant on the Cliffords, at the expense of others showing what they can do. When you have an inside forward as good as David, the temptation is to play him every time, especially in the bigger games against better opposition. Some people will say they didn't play him enough on Sunday, but he actually got a lot of ball. He had to recycle quite a lot of it as he was double-marked and had very little space. David will generally always take the right option and if there isn't a shot on, he'll look for a pass.
How much ball did Dylan Geaney get? It must have been in single figures. He's a very classy forward and far from mediocre, but had two poor outings in the semi and final. That's obviously on him, but I also don't think he got too many opportunities. As an inside forward, you're relying on ball being played in. Especially someone like him, who's an excellent shooter. Something similar happened in the 2022 final when Paul Geaney was whipped off at half-time. He had missed a few shots, but generally hadn't gotten much ball. It wasn't mentioned much because Kerry won on the day and we had a shootout between Walsh and Clifford.
WanPintWin (National) - 29/07/2026 14:01:49
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Dublin GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Our City lost one of its great ambassadors today.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/oscar-winning-musician-glen-hansard-dies-in-dublin-motorcycle-crash/a/159330721.html
Terribly sad news
Beelzedub (National) - 29/07/2026 14:29:46
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Thejampot: "Divid didn't enhance and reputation sunday. Second half was a poor display from one for the best in the game. When was needed most to lead he just stood up and watched. No work rate." Scored 1-6 from play in the final?
Claretandblue (National) - 29/07/2026 15:04:58
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GAA President - Jarlath Burns - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "Jarlath Burns.
6 Senior All-Ireland finals - 6 different winning teams
Refreshing to see." What's it got to do with Jarlath Burns?
Claretandblue (National) - 29/07/2026 15:07:04
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Question for your Barney - would you trust David in particular to drag you out of a deep hole when backs are really against the wall? Genuine question so no right or wrong answer!
I know when we were struggling over the years in big games then its in those moments that the best of the best come to the fore i.e. think James McCarthy simply refusing to lie down in a few massive games over the years. I think Paudie has shown more of those never say die qualities than David and again last Sunday. That's why the "GOAT" conversation isn't as cut and dried in my mind compared to a lot of peoples. He undoubtedly has the skill level to eclipse a lot of what we have seen over the years but those other less tangible qualities in terms of leadership and resilience I'm just not sure he is at that elite 1% level...yet." Not sure about that. A lot of it depends on the position he plays too. He's an inside forward and the best I've ever seen at that. He's not someone with an incredible engine who can do the dog work needed out in the middle relentlessly.
He has physical attributes which make him almost unmarkable one-on-one inside. You can't have everything though and he can't do the work the likes of McCarthy, Fenton or even his own brother can. It'd be silly to have him used in that way in any case.
Greatest footballer is something which I don't agree with in any case. Clifford is the best forward I've ever seen, Fenton the best midfielder I've seen by a distance.
WanPintWin (National) - 29/07/2026 15:10:21
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
A few posters here dont like to give David full credit.If he was nt from Kerry maybe they would say different.
Most people that call him the goat are from outside Kerry.Most of us hate hearing that and I believe he hates it himself.
The facts are that David Clifford is a fantastic footballer.Well as Barney says he plays on a mediocre team.Can you imagine if he played on a great team.
Begrudges say ah he s good but Ive seen better.
David is the second top scorer in championship history and he is only 27.
Cillian O Connor is top.However most of Davids scores are from.play.
David has played in 6 All Ireland finals and I believe is the highest scorer ever from play in finals.
He has constantly been brilliant.One of his great displays was against Tyrone in 21 semi and he got injured for extra time.
He has scored at will in huge games against top teams.
Every game he plays the opposition have a plan for him and nearly always two men on him and often 3.
Ive seen great players in the past like Matt Connor Declan Browne but they were marked man to man.
David was a superhuman minor and is the highest scoring minor of all time.
As a senior he has been outstanding and his scoring is off the charts.
As Paul Flynn has said a few times "David Clifford can score 1-9 in a game and wont get motm cos he is judged by different standards.
Onr of the greatest of all time was Peter Canavan and Peter reckons he has never seen the likes of David.
A Dublin poster last year claimed David has never done it on the big days.Thats a laugh.
Its jealousy in my view and most of it comes from.the same area.Tbf old posters like Realdub always spoke highly of David.
David always delivers..He had a quiet day in 23 but still scored 3 points and set up a fab goal and 3 more points. Diarmiid Connlolly (a class player) did nt score in 4 finals.ComO Callaghan did nt score in 23 final.
Many great players have had bad days but David nearly always shines.
Hoganstand forum wont judge David s legacy.History will and it will be very kind to him.
CiarraiMick (National) - 29/07/2026 15:24:22
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David Clifford The Goat - 1 Like(s)
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Question for your Barney - would you trust David in particular to drag you out of a deep hole when backs are really against the wall? Genuine question so no right or wrong answer!
I know when we were struggling over the years in big games then its in those moments that the best of the best come to the fore i.e. think James McCarthy simply refusing to lie down in a few massive games over the years. I think Paudie has shown more of those never say die qualities than David and again last Sunday. That's why the "GOAT" conversation isn't as cut and dried in my mind compared to a lot of peoples. He undoubtedly has the skill level to eclipse a lot of what we have seen over the years but those other less tangible qualities in terms of leadership and resilience I'm just not sure he is at that elite 1% level...yet." He scored one of the greatest points in AI final history when his team needed him most on Sunday
Kinvara (National) - 29/07/2026 15:53:03
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Mayo All Ireland Champions 2026! - 1 Like(s)
Had a quick look on PP for 2027 - not really sure how we are rated as second favourites.
Kerry 15/8
Donegal 5/1
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 8/1
Dublin 10/1
Galway 10/1
Tyrone 10/1
Lockjaw (National) - 29/07/2026 15:57:05
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