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I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 24/03/2017 19:25:15
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" It might work. Kick passing back would immediately replace it. Ban both if you want the game to go forward
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/03/2017 19:41:55
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There is controversy in Rugby with forward passes.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/03/2017 19:43:10
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" You're missing one major thing
There is nothing wrong with the game.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 24/03/2017 19:47:06
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" You want to limit the hand passes by just eliminating the backwards handpass inside a team's own half? What would be the penalty for an infringement? Surely teams will then just ensure the handpass receiver calls on the shoulder if the handpasser to ensure he's ahead of him to receive the bandpass. Referees will have a further headache policing a new rule that teams are wide to and the reduction in handpasses will be minimal.
As Gotmilk rightly says there's nothing wrong with the game. There seems to be a modern thinking that if games aren't scoresaplenty kickpassing high fielding exciting games of ball that they're poor games and not cool and sexy. But rather than changing the rules, teams and players need to get out of the gym and manufacturing kickable frees and back to being good at the basic skills of defending, kickpassing and kicking points from distance.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 24/03/2017 21:33:57
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" It's not the handpassing backwards inside your own half that looks bad, it's handpassing backwards and laterally outside the opponents 45 while they have 14 men standing looking at you.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 24/03/2017 21:54:04
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" There's a lot about the modern game I don't like.
I don't understand though the fascination with limiting the hand pass. I think hand passing done well can be really enjoyable to watch. It requires good coordination to be done effectively and that will also include passing backwards. Kick forward fist backwards to a runner coming through combinations are nice plays for me, I don't see why you want to get rid of that as an option.
Bad hand passing can be horrible to watch. Connacht final and first half of the Ulster final this year were crap.
Bad foot passing is just as bad. These bad teams being forced to play the ball forwards are going to be no better to watch.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 25/03/2017 01:18:00
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When I read comments like "there's nothing wrong with the game" I can only assume that the people concerned are middle-aged or upwards. If someone conducts a survey among GAA-minded people and finds that a majority in their twenties and early thirties agree that "there is nothing wrong with the game" , then I will believe that there is nothing wrong with the game.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 25/03/2017 03:33:39
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Replying To gotmilk: " Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" You're missing one major thing There is nothing wrong with the game."
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 25/03/2017 08:32:29
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Replying To Sindar: "I know there's so much talk over the years about the handpassing to death in football. Not everyone is against it and just feel that it is how the game evolves. I respect that but still disagree and think something needs to be done.
There have been several suggestions over recent years such as limiting the number of handpasses in succession. Personally, I don't think that's refereeable. It's hard enough to spot overcarrying and double bounces without having to start counting handpasses. I don't think Joe Brolly's suggestion is workabale either, at least not at lower levels where getting the ball past the 45m from the kickout might be tricky for some if playing against strong wind and rain.
Here's a suggestion.
You can't handpass backwards inside your own half. That's it. Simple and refereeable and keeps the game moving forward out of defence. Eureka or am I missing something?" Stupid idea
HarryMancini (Mayo) - Posts: 23 - 25/03/2017 09:24:20
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I can't agree with the comments that there is noting wrong with the game. I was in Croke Park for the All Ireland Q/F last year - Mayo v Tyrone and Dublin v Donegal. Both games were awful. The second even worse than the first. Not all of that was due to the handpassing but it slowed both games down to a predictable crawl across the opposition's 45. Canvanman47 may be right that the problem lies at the opponents 45m because teams break up the field unopposed as defenders turn their backs on the opposition scurrying back to their own 45m line to get into position. But if the ball has to move out of your own half quicker then it will mean that the attack is faster. It will also encourgae opponents to put pressure on defenders in their own half as there will be reward in forcing an error with a turnover or a free.
The quality of long range point kicking has never been better, simply because it needs to be. Teams have practically given up on trying to find a team mate in space with a 40m pass. Losing possession seems to be the worst thing in the world a team could do which means players are in fear of taking a risk. Can you imagine that happening in hurling? Hurlers puck passes 70/80m into space all the time and they lose the possession sometimes. Much faster and more exciting game because of it and that's what it's all about.
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 25/03/2017 10:24:46
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You're missing one major thing
There is nothing wrong with the game.
gotmilk
There's a lot wrong with the game and it would take me a long time to go through that. Just one point! In AI final guys get jersey's tore and pulled off their back with no sanction even though we have 3 Refs on duty and many cameras.
Now back to the main point made. Most of the games are very difficult to watch with continuous hand passing (the game is supposed to be 'football', not 'handpassingball')- look at the last 7/8minutes of AI club as a good example with lots more going on in inter county games.
Two many rules being added on without any real benefit to the game except to make it almost impossible to Ref in a fair manner.
Banning back passing (kicking or hand passing) in your own half of the field (from midfield) would benefit the game. Some of the older poster may remember the rules of the AI 7-side competition being changed (25 plus tears ago) to rectify what is now happening in the 15 -aside version
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/03/2017 10:46:41
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I love when people who clearly don't play the game or didn't past underage level propose stupid ideas. Well done Sindar. Any other nonsensical ideas congress can past so you can enjoy the game from the couch a little more?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 25/03/2017 12:04:42
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Games evolve
We're now seeing the blanket defence and counter attacking approach
In a few years it will change again, or maybe even this year. Who knows?
valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 25/03/2017 12:26:18
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sure the rules we have are not being applied, look at the lack of black cards last weekend, Dublin/Kerry. don't like the idea of adding more hand passing rules as the 3 refs will miss too much off the ball stuff and make worse decisions.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I love when people who clearly don't play the game or didn't past underage level propose stupid ideas. Well done Sindar. Any other nonsensical ideas congress can past so you can enjoy the game from the couch a little more?" Terribly insulting comment from someone who has no idea who I am. At 44 I'm still an active club player having played junior and intermediate club since I was 17 preceded by all the underage levels and primary and secondary schools. I also played in Universities Football with some of the best players of the day such as Niall Buckley, Dara O'Se, John Duffy, Damien Diver, Peter Reilly and other less well known but equally committed footballers. I'm also an active referee and am out there on the pitch in some capacity most weekends. Armchair I am not!
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 25/03/2017 14:48:28
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Replying To Sindar: "Terribly insulting comment from someone who has no idea who I am. At 44 I'm still an active club player having played junior and intermediate club since I was 17 preceded by all the underage levels and primary and secondary schools. I also played in Universities Football with some of the best players of the day such as Niall Buckley, Dara O'Se, John Duffy, Damien Diver, Peter Reilly and other less well known but equally committed footballers. I'm also an active referee and am out there on the pitch in some capacity most weekends. Armchair I am not!" You might think it is insulting but how could I assume anything else from your daft idea? And I am speaking as a manager of a club playing senior championship. Ridiculous idea. The game is fine and will evolve naturally from year to year.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I love when people who clearly don't play the game or didn't past underage level propose stupid ideas. Well done Sindar. Any other nonsensical ideas congress can past so you can enjoy the game from the couch a little more?" Pretty ill though out comment!
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/03/2017 16:14:09
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How about making the KICK compulsory from behind OWN 45 ? No solo-ing or
The kick/ball should cross/clear BOTH OWN 45 & 65 without boucing ,travelling to AT LEAST THE MIDFIELD ZONE OR BEYOND ?
This keeps hand passing but breaks the sequence without breaking the ref's head from repeatedly counting toward 4.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You might think it is insulting but how could I assume anything else from your daft idea? And I am speaking as a manager of a club playing senior championship. Ridiculous idea. The game is fine and will evolve naturally from year to year." Senior championship no less? How will Gaelic football evolve naturally? Did it evolve naturally in over 100 years or did some people make suggestions to improve by tweaking the rules and the game?
As a long-since retired from a junior B team armchair supporter and keyboard advisor I think Sindar makes a great point about the overuse of hand passing in the game. And as he's a ref it'd be great to hear how refs views any proposed changes, how refereeable they are. But it's easier to just criticise anyone making a suggestion you don't agree with rather than offer an alternative other than negativity.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 25/03/2017 17:15:18
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