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Excluded from training Under 6s

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Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome

kelly76 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 21/12/2016 22:48:31    1941542

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Personally I think any child under six should be left to enjoy their toys and to look forward to Santa Claus!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 22/12/2016 06:38:55    1941561

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Its a bit of a funny one to be honest.

I would have thought a Club AGM would be the best place to raise any issues that you might have.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 22/12/2016 08:55:14    1941570

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Replying To kelly76:  "Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome"
You won't like this answer but is there any way you can meet with the executive member and try sorting out your differences or someone to do this on your behalf?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 22/12/2016 09:12:07    1941574

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Replying To kelly76:  "Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome"
It sounds like you been treated badly.

I think though sometimes you just have to accept something and move on.

Be a positive influence in the club going forward and if you're still interested in helping in a few years time go back and look to take on a team. The club landscape could have changed by then.

You could do yourself more harm than good for future by pursuing this further at this time.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/12/2016 09:42:25    1941582

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Replying To kelly76:  "Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome"
Are the issues between yourself and that executive member completely unresolvable? Looks like his influence is preventing you from training them.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 22/12/2016 10:18:21    1941591

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You and the exec member should just meet somewhere and have a straightner, sort your beef out and winner get their way, loser walk away!!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/12/2016 13:42:01    1941647

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Has someone already been appointed to train the team? If so then why do you want to interfere with what they are doing? I'm not having a go but I'm sure when you were managing if a parent hopped over the fence and started training their own you wouldn't have been best pleased. Go along to training, watch your kids enjoy themselves and let it be what it is. Dont stress out about Under 6. As long as the kids are happy then it dosnt matter how good the coach is.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 23/12/2016 10:13:19    1941849

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Replying To jpcampion:  "Has someone already been appointed to train the team? If so then why do you want to interfere with what they are doing? I'm not having a go but I'm sure when you were managing if a parent hopped over the fence and started training their own you wouldn't have been best pleased. Go along to training, watch your kids enjoy themselves and let it be what it is. Dont stress out about Under 6. As long as the kids are happy then it dosnt matter how good the coach is."
If it was me I'd just go along like any other parent and enjoy watching the kids playing, etc. I'm always a believer anyway that it's better not to have a parent involved, leads to less pressure on the child as they get older

If you're interested in being a coach/selector I'd try get involved with another team in the club. This way you get to be actively involved in the club and it shows you have a commitment to the club. Nobody can then accuse you of only wanting to be involved because your kids are there

puck_da_sliotar (Cork) - Posts: 17 - 23/12/2016 10:53:39    1941864

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Replying To kelly76:  "Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome"
Do you know the childrens officer at the club?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 23/12/2016 11:47:41    1941876

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Replying To jpcampion:  "Has someone already been appointed to train the team? If so then why do you want to interfere with what they are doing? I'm not having a go but I'm sure when you were managing if a parent hopped over the fence and started training their own you wouldn't have been best pleased. Go along to training, watch your kids enjoy themselves and let it be what it is. Dont stress out about Under 6. As long as the kids are happy then it dosnt matter how good the coach is."
U6's is still kind of the nursery stage. They are always looking for people to help out.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 23/12/2016 11:48:55    1941877

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We have the opposite problem

Cannot get people to help out

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 23/12/2016 14:37:05    1941907

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At under 6 level there should be no such thing as anyone being left out unless they are a child protection issue. As many parents as possible are needed. You can never have too many people helping at that age. If there are 20 players 7/8 coaches could take 2/3/4 players each and work on the basic skills. At that age any parent watching a training session should be asked to help. No matter how little someone knows about either football or hurling any adult should be able to show a 6 year old how to hold a hurl or kick a ball. So unless your either a child protection issue or a complete headcase I think you should be approaching one or more of the following: club chairman, child protection officer or coaching officer, to explain that you just want to help the youngsters enjoy and learn the skills.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 25/12/2016 13:39:34    1942055

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Replying To 890202:  "At under 6 level there should be no such thing as anyone being left out unless they are a child protection issue. As many parents as possible are needed. You can never have too many people helping at that age. If there are 20 players 7/8 coaches could take 2/3/4 players each and work on the basic skills. At that age any parent watching a training session should be asked to help. No matter how little someone knows about either football or hurling any adult should be able to show a 6 year old how to hold a hurl or kick a ball. So unless your either a child protection issue or a complete headcase I think you should be approaching one or more of the following: club chairman, child protection officer or coaching officer, to explain that you just want to help the youngsters enjoy and learn the skills."
Would agree with your comment, although not much coaching required at that age. At that age all the coaching should be in your own back garden, or local green area and it would generally be more beneficial in the long term.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/12/2016 11:48:11    1942072

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Replying To kelly76:  "Was excluded in February from training under 6's even though my kids were training..... Have trained under 16's three years ago but due to family reasons gave up the training until children started been involved. Basically personal issues between myself and a member of the executive which I thought had been resolved however at executive meeting in February as to which I was not present as not on executive it was decided I was not allowed to be involved in the training although some members spoke up for me. At the time my family were dealing with personal tragedy and it was my way to spend time with the two children..... Can this happen??? Who to go to??? County board - very friendly with members of the executive. Happened in February - have sent numerous emails to club secretary but have basically got complete rubbish back as response??? Any advice greatly welcome"
Of course there is something you can do, first you deal with the club's executive by following the correct procedure in making a formal complaint - GAA rules are they must deal with it. Depending on response you can complain to County board if club doesn't deal with it. If there is a personal issue involved see a lawyer. Go out and get coaching badges - foundation, level 1, offer to help local schools and other clubs gain your experience. The difficulty here is no one only you knows what is going on. Do reflect on the ages of the kids involved they are only U6 and put your own kids interests before your own. There will eb no winners here.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 26/12/2016 18:20:24    1942094

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Replying To arock:  "Of course there is something you can do, first you deal with the club's executive by following the correct procedure in making a formal complaint - GAA rules are they must deal with it. Depending on response you can complain to County board if club doesn't deal with it. If there is a personal issue involved see a lawyer. Go out and get coaching badges - foundation, level 1, offer to help local schools and other clubs gain your experience. The difficulty here is no one only you knows what is going on. Do reflect on the ages of the kids involved they are only U6 and put your own kids interests before your own. There will eb no winners here."
100% agree with you arock, you can only "fight" the system from within, engage with the mechanisms and you'll get answers, just don't expect them to be to your liking.

dontlookback (Galway) - Posts: 267 - 27/12/2016 06:39:32    1942108

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Replying To 890202:  "At under 6 level there should be no such thing as anyone being left out unless they are a child protection issue. As many parents as possible are needed. You can never have too many people helping at that age. If there are 20 players 7/8 coaches could take 2/3/4 players each and work on the basic skills. At that age any parent watching a training session should be asked to help. No matter how little someone knows about either football or hurling any adult should be able to show a 6 year old how to hold a hurl or kick a ball. So unless your either a child protection issue or a complete headcase I think you should be approaching one or more of the following: club chairman, child protection officer or coaching officer, to explain that you just want to help the youngsters enjoy and learn the skills."
It doesn't have to be all about the ball at that age either. Using something like a balloon an encouraging children to jump up and hit it repeatedly above their heads can encourage kids to go confidently for a ball when they are more experienced. I see kids sometimes being given a ball which they can barely get their arms around and being asked to kick it which does no good whatsoever. It hurts their foot or hits them in the face and puts some of them off the whole idea.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1016 - 27/12/2016 10:42:31    1942114

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