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Most people agree that referees have had a poor year but some of the football managers haven't covered themselves in glory either - Fitzmaurice with Geaney, Rochford with Hennelly, Harte with a host of obvious substitution requirements in Mayo game. Maybe they need to up their games also. Jim Gavin is an example of the modern manager: cool, calculated and ruthless when needed with a clear strategy or process as he calls it. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 08/10/2016 15:00:30 1924049 Link 1 |
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Agreed with all you've said! Jim Gavin showed he was human in the drawn final though, we can't simultaneously call this an all time Dublin team and call Gavin an all time Manager considering a lot of the main men on this Dubs team won another AI with another manager. He's a manager that suits this Dublin team as they're now a calm and settled outfit, personally I don't think he would have been the man to get them over the hump in the first place. People talk about Dublin getting most of the money that comes through the GAA, I don't think that changes the talent of the players on the team...I do think it makes the manager's job easier though, better facilities, better equipment and more hands on deck with always help the job of the manager Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 08/10/2016 15:57:33 1924057 Link 0 |
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it must be handy enough looking cool and calculated when you can bring multiple all star winners off the strongest bench in Ireland.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 08/10/2016 16:03:20 1924059 Link 1 |
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Exactly. Had Mayo beat the dubs in the final (one point separated the sides after 160 minutes of play) Gavin would have been hauled over hot coals. Its true what they say that to the victor goes the spoils. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/10/2016 18:55:50 1924098 Link 0 |
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Dubs have a great squad granted but Mayo could have beaten them twice and Gavin rang in the changes to eventually win where Rockford dropped the best keeper in Mayo and that's the opinion of many Mayo fans, for what reason - 2 freak goals? Gavin dropped players like Brogan and trust me managing a large quality squad with egos is not easy. Fitzmaurice takes off his best forward in a tight game and he wasn't injured which he admitted later was a wrong decision - Mickey Harte watched 2 massively underperforming corner forwards in a game against Mayo and didn't change until very late - he watched Cavanagh get manhandled all day by Keegan and he was on a yellow and he had players on bench who could have made a big difference. That's the difference in the right games and it's why Gavin is now #1.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 08/10/2016 20:04:01 1924110 Link 0 |
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All the managers makes mistakes it is just that some make more and bigger ones than others. Then again most players makes mistakes also. It is easier to appear a very good clever manger when you have a team of very good players. Put any of these managers in charge of the bottom teams in Div 4 and see how good the are. Good players can make average managers look good. I may add again that I have not seen an All-Ireland played at the intensity of the Mayo and the Dubs browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 08/10/2016 22:55:35 1924145 Link 0 |
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I think the first part of your response there is exactly what I'm talking about. Dublin have a great squad yet Mayo almost beat them twice. To be fair I do rate Jim Gavin as a very good manager who has no doubt played his part in Dublin's success. But I also believe that several managers could win the AI with what Dublin have at their disposal. Lets say Mayo got over the line that first day, with the amount of Dublin forward stars held scoreless and ineffectual from play, what would the perception of Jim Gavin be right now? it would have been Donegal 2014 all over again only worse as Dublin were actually playing well in the Donegal game in the first half and they were atrocious at times vs Mayo. Brogan got dropped because he did absolutely nothing the first game and Dublin have top proven players like Mannion and Andrews on standby, so there's not much figuring out there. Subs making impacts could also be a sign that the players the manager picked to start weren't winning their battles and if they were the subs wouldn't have been needed so early in the game. I'll agree that Rochford and Fitzmaurice made mistakes in those decisions but there wasn't a lot Mickey Harte could do about replacing Cavanagh. With the game neck and neck there are few players who can seize the moment like Sean Cavanagh as he proved in the Ulster final and even if he was finding it tough against Mayo, its not as if Michael Darragh McAuley is waiting on the Tyrone bench to come in. They are limited and Cavanagh on a yellow is still worth the risk in my opinion. If anything the tactics were maybe too negative towards the end of that game for Tyrone. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 09/10/2016 00:25:16 1924152 Link 0 |