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Ok so there's 50 seconds left. Dubs down 4 points.... Ref awards pen......but the time still ticks down while its being taken......?? So the act of taking the pen actually works AGAINST them..... Really?!!? Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/09/2016 22:37:41 1919052 Link
It is what is. I'm not in favour of the clock being introduced into the men's game. People always mention it like some sort of panacea in the men's game but it's a joke of a system in my opinion. It makes it so easy to play down the clock. The ref never stops the clock in time etc etc. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 25/09/2016 22:56:30 1919055 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Ok so there's 50 seconds left. Dubs down 4 points.... Ref awards pen......but the time still ticks down while its being taken......?? So the act of taking the pen actually works AGAINST them..... Really?!!?" True. We discuss problems in the men's game like the implementation of cards but we have no ruling as bad as that. The Ladies Association obviously put no thought into when to stop the hooter. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 25/09/2016 22:59:06 1919057 Link
Not only that but ref "wasted" three minutes checking on the health of an injured Cork player. No problem with that but the clock was not stopped and Dublin needed those minutes at the end. Not our day ... when a team is as strong as Cork you need the little breaks to go your way. We didn't get them, denies a clear point as well. Beacaire Gorm (Dublin) - Posts: 597 - 25/09/2016 23:09:29 1919061 Link
It's a ridiculous system and hopefully is never introduced in the men's game as was proposed a few years ago by a Wexford club. 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 25/09/2016 23:21:58 1919066 Link
Replying To Laois76: "True. We discuss problems in the men's game like the implementation of cards but we have no ruling as bad as that. The Ladies Association obviously put no thought into when to stop the hooter." The hooter should go when the time is up. It shouldn't matter if a corner back has it or a player is running clean through on goal in an All Ireland Final to win the game. If the time is up its up. Only way it could be introduced for men's side of things is when the clock is stopped is very clearly defined. So you would think once the peeler signals medical team can come on to treat an injury it's stopped. When the linesman puts up his flag for sub it's stopped ect ect. One massive massive issue I have is the time over frees. Especially involving keepers. Does anyone think if a corner back wins a free inside his own 21 he would be allowed to take the amount of time it takes a goalie to stroll up do their wiggles and kick for goal? Would he fk the free would be taken off him and the ball thrown up in a tenth of the time it takes compared to lads taking frees. It's an anomaly that needs to be addressed. SamandLiamSoon (Galway)** - Posts: 589 - 26/09/2016 08:28:05 1919084 Link
Joke of a system , players down injured and it's still ticking away, it's so easy to waste time with it. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/09/2016 08:35:14 1919086 Link
It absolutely should be introduced to the men's game! Not in the exact same way as the ladies as, yes, it is very easy to run down the clock, and men tend to be much more cynical than ladies when it comes to gaining these advantages. So introduce it, but add in some caveats - Time automatically stops when the ref blows the whistle for any free, wide, sideline, etc. It restarts once the kick is taken. This stops all forms of time wasting except for a team holding possession in their own half and running down the clock in the last few minutes. To combat this, another rule is needed. Something like the game only ends when you kick the ball over your opponent's endline, or when a ball carrier carries it over the opposition 45, etc. Either that or you hide the clock from everyone, can't see that being popular tho cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 26/09/2016 08:55:34 1919093 Link
I read that the ball is in play on average for 34 mins in championship games (2011) so up to this year we only added on injuries and time wasting and have now added time for subs, hawkeye and keepers taking frees. Rugby has the best system for time keeping, let the 4th official keep track of time, stopping the clock on instructions from the ref and when time is up call the last play with the proviso that the ball can only go dead at the opponents end lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 26/09/2016 09:26:48 1919102 Link
The clock is supposed to be stopped for delays, but if you want to waste your own time so be it, in hurling for instance I have seen nearly 1.5 minutes elapse while someone hits a sideline cut!! But I agree seems odd that a penalty of all things should have a running clock. But you could introduce it and referees control the clock or fourth official. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 26/09/2016 09:35:03 1919107 Link
In the intermediate semi final, there were Clare players repeatedly kicking the ball away for a last minute free to waste the time and it won them the game. Very poor sportsmanship benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 26/09/2016 11:18:08 1919173 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Ok so there's 50 seconds left. Dubs down 4 points.... Ref awards pen......but the time still ticks down while its being taken......?? So the act of taking the pen actually works AGAINST them..... Really?!!?" hmm just thinking back to the men's final in 2013 and the final 90 seconds of that game BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 26/09/2016 11:34:45 1919183 Link
Replying To BlastCalyle: "hmm just thinking back to the men's final in 2013 and the final 90 seconds of that game" Think about the lasr 12 minutes actually when you played against 12 and a half men and still didnt win waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/09/2016 12:06:11 1919202 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Think about the lasr 12 minutes actually when you played against 12 and a half men and still didnt win" yes, a bit like the last day, we played against the worst Dublin performance of all time and still couldn't win don't know why we're bothering togging out again next Saturday BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 26/09/2016 14:32:54 1919277 Link
Replying To arock: "The clock is supposed to be stopped for delays, but if you want to waste your own time so be it, in hurling for instance I have seen nearly 1.5 minutes elapse while someone hits a sideline cut!! But I agree seems odd that a penalty of all things should have a running clock. But you could introduce it and referees control the clock or fourth official." There is no perfect system. As I have said what rugby has suits their type of structured game where it is all about the set piece however in the GAA its not about that rather (or well it used to be) about getting the ball forward and scoring as soon as possible. People will always pick out the unfairness of any system when one event shows it up however for most of the time the systems are preventing a much wider problem and in the GAA that is deliberate time wasting. I have refereed 7s games where there is a no injury time added rule - you only add time for time wasting, now that could be harsh however the reality is scheduling normally doesn't allow you to add time. The one thing however is that there are very few stoppages for injury but we allow rolling subs so if the player is injured there is no need to ask permission from the ref. There may be a serious injury where you have no choice but to stop the game and that can go against one team or the other. So the point is you do what you have to to suit the game being played, that may not suit 100% of the times things happen but there is no perfect solution in sport - shit always happens. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 26/09/2016 17:09:24 1919360 Link