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Jeez, what is wrong with Croke Park stadium organisers & the Gaa, another embarrasement today. All the money coming in for the men's replay & Sky TV money were told about & yet no Hawkeye in Croke park today & Dublin denied a legitimate point. The Ladies football might have their own Association but surely Croke Park could have had Hawkeye today. In light of the sponsorship by Lidl nationwide, surely a little more professionalism is not a lot to ask for from Croke Park. In light of Hayes comments on the ladies finals & giving them 10,000 tickets & playing the men's final on the ladies designated day it shows how greedy the whole male Inter county scene has become. The ladies are in the same class as club players, second class citizens in the Gaa. The umpires that missed that point should be ashamed of themselves, another thing that the Gaa won't change, having relatives & friends of the ref as umpires. Some of them are obviously out of their depth. Well done to the Ladies for some great football in bad conditions & the crowd there today. Croke Park, the Gaa & umpires should all hang their heads in shame. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 25/09/2016 16:57:50 1918911 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "Jeez, what is wrong with Croke Park stadium organisers & the Gaa, another embarrasement today. All the money coming in for the men's replay & Sky TV money were told about & yet no Hawkeye in Croke park today & Dublin denied a legitimate point. The Ladies football might have their own Association but surely Croke Park could have had Hawkeye today. In light of the sponsorship by Lidl nationwide, surely a little more professionalism is not a lot to ask for from Croke Park. In light of Hayes comments on the ladies finals & giving them 10,000 tickets & playing the men's final on the ladies designated day it shows how greedy the whole male Inter county scene has become. The ladies are in the same class as club players, second class citizens in the Gaa. The umpires that missed that point should be ashamed of themselves, another thing that the Gaa won't change, having relatives & friends of the ref as umpires. Some of them are obviously out of their depth. Well done to the Ladies for some great football in bad conditions & the crowd there today. Croke Park, the Gaa & umpires should all hang their heads in shame." I was in Thurles for the U21 hurling semi finals and final. Hawkeye was not in operation for any of those games either so you're wrong in thinking it's a men vs women thing. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 25/09/2016 17:27:36 1918922 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "Jeez, what is wrong with Croke Park stadium organisers & the Gaa, another embarrasement today. All the money coming in for the men's replay & Sky TV money were told about & yet no Hawkeye in Croke park today & Dublin denied a legitimate point. The Ladies football might have their own Association but surely Croke Park could have had Hawkeye today. In light of the sponsorship by Lidl nationwide, surely a little more professionalism is not a lot to ask for from Croke Park. In light of Hayes comments on the ladies finals & giving them 10,000 tickets & playing the men's final on the ladies designated day it shows how greedy the whole male Inter county scene has become. The ladies are in the same class as club players, second class citizens in the Gaa. The umpires that missed that point should be ashamed of themselves, another thing that the Gaa won't change, having relatives & friends of the ref as umpires. Some of them are obviously out of their depth. Well done to the Ladies for some great football in bad conditions & the crowd there today. Croke Park, the Gaa & umpires should all hang their heads in shame." What was hayes comments? It seems to be the latest Mess up in croke park this year with the Christy ring final and them putting up the wrong score in the Kerry kildare minor game. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 25/09/2016 17:34:51 1918934 Link
I don't think it's necessarily an embarrassment for Croke Pk. An embarrassment for the referee and his two umpires. As bad a call as you'll ever see. I could understand if it went very high and over the posts but it was a low shot. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 25/09/2016 17:55:38 1918942 Link
Should be a replay full stop ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 25/09/2016 18:02:50 1918945 Link
Well.....where's the national outrage, cheat allegations and rabid calls for a replay? Isn't that the standard response in these situations or is it just limited to one county in particular? RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 25/09/2016 18:03:03 1918946 Link
Replying To RoyalBadger: "Well.....where's the national outrage, cheat allegations and rabid calls for a replay? Isn't that the standard response in these situations or is it just limited to one county in particular?" Why would Cork be called cheats when none of their players cheated. It would be nice if Cork offered to replay the game but there is no hope of it happening. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/09/2016 18:18:53 1918949 Link
I beleive the LGFA decided to go without Hawkeye, due to cost, disgraceful considering all the work gone into raising the profile this year and there own association treats them differently from any other code. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 25/09/2016 18:42:37 1918961 Link
Replying To RoyalBadger: "Well.....where's the national outrage, cheat allegations and rabid calls for a replay? Isn't that the standard response in these situations or is it just limited to one county in particular?" Even in ladies football, you think its only cos of "Dublin" that this is raised as a topic. Total nonsense as it would be discussed if it happened in any televised game to any team. In fact, I think you will find there have been a few replayed games for such reasons but none to benefit "Dublin". However I appreciate that facts are irrelevant in the "typical Dublin" rants. poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 25/09/2016 18:50:24 1918964 Link
Hold on a second here........the Ladies Football is a separate organisation and are the ones dragging their heels on integration.....can't have it both ways where they won't access to GAA facilities up and down the country but want to stay outside the wire so to speak when it suits them.... Nothing to do with 'Croke Park' today and all to do with the Ladies Association.....over to them to sort out their own mess but leave te GAA out of it PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 25/09/2016 18:51:37 1918965 Link
Bad call by umpires to be fair .. so unfair on players who gave it everything, I can hear calls for rematch to be played before the Mayo v Dublin replay on Saturday, Could get interesting ! Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 25/09/2016 19:13:28 1918980 Link
What's the basis for the replay??????????? Yes a point was waved wide that seemed to be legit but that happens all the time in games all over the country so if you replay this do you do the same for club games if clubs object????? Only option is if Cork offer up a replay on their own but not sure why they would do that........Meath didn't do it in the Leinster final v Louth etc so not convinced a county/ our those girls will put an all Ireland medal on the line simply to be seen as good corporate citizens PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 25/09/2016 19:40:01 1918990 Link
Horrible way to lose an All Ireland. To train all year and lose because of a mistake by an umpire is hard to take. I remember losing a county final to a last minute point, after a mistake by our full back. I still haven't forgiven him and that was nearly forty years ago. The frustrating thing for Dublin is that they know it was unfair but that there is nothing that can be done about it. It was a shame because it was a fascinating game. Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 25/09/2016 20:16:13 1918999 Link
While Laois footballers offering Carlow a replay in 1995 was a decent gesture the overall circumstances were different. Firstly there wasn't an All-Ireland medal on the line. The winners were due to play Dublin in the next round. There was a feeling in Laois (with no disrespect to Carlow) that we were a division 1 team at the time and Carlow division 4 and if we couldn't account for Carlow in the replay we had no business facing the Dubs anyway. Also Carlow were playing well under Bobby Miller and offering a replay would give us another good game under our belts if we progressed to meet the Dubs. We beat Carlow by 3pts in the replay and lost by 7 to Dublin in Navan a fortnight later. The 7pts probably flattered the Dubs a bit, there was nothing between the teams before 19 year old Jason Sherlock scored his famous goal hitting the ball in his socks after losing his boot. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 25/09/2016 20:45:45 1919015 Link
Replying To Curlew66: "Bad call by umpires to be fair .. so unfair on players who gave it everything, I can hear calls for rematch to be played before the Mayo v Dublin replay on Saturday, Could get interesting !" Not a hope. Croke park wouldn't be able to hold both due to ticketing yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 25/09/2016 21:05:22 1919020 Link
Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Horrible way to lose an All Ireland. To train all year and lose because of a mistake by an umpire is hard to take. I remember losing a county final to a last minute point, after a mistake by our full back. I still haven't forgiven him and that was nearly forty years ago. The frustrating thing for Dublin is that they know it was unfair but that there is nothing that can be done about it. It was a shame because it was a fascinating game." 40 years and you still haven't forgiven the poor full back?Come on Llaw ,what ever happened to time being a healer?Its not healthy to bottle up that anger for close to half a century.Let it out on these pages if you wish but please just let it out somewhere.Anywhere.I hate to think of a man carrying that to bed with him every night. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/09/2016 21:17:48 1919023 Link
Replying To poguemahone: "Even in ladies football, you think its only cos of "Dublin" that this is raised as a topic. Total nonsense as it would be discussed if it happened in any televised game to any team. In fact, I think you will find there have been a few replayed games for such reasons but none to benefit "Dublin". However I appreciate that facts are irrelevant in the "typical Dublin" rants." You completely missed my point. I wasn't having a pop at Dublin RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 25/09/2016 21:23:52 1919025 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "I was in Thurles for the U21 hurling semi finals and final. Hawkeye was not in operation for any of those games either so you're wrong in thinking it's a men vs women thing." I think the fact that Hawkeye wasn't operational that day in Thurles was also a disgrace, what is the point of having the technology in place & not using it. In fairness the ladies have had their All Ireland final date changed previously to accommodate a replay for the men's final with no choice, they have being let down today by their own Association but also by Central Council & Croke Park as Marty Morrisey alluded to this evening as recalibration & cost of same for the different size ball for Hawkeye was also an issue during the week. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 25/09/2016 21:37:32 1919031 Link
Jack McCaffrey is quoted elsewhere on HS to have tweeted "how on earth is the clock not stopped when a penalty is being taken?" My immediate thought was - for much the same reason as the clock not being stopped for the time it takes S Cluxton to amble up the field to take a winning free! Re the issue of today, I can't see any argument for a replay. Terrible decision, happens often, get on with it. 1914 (Clare) - Posts: 92 - 25/09/2016 21:42:57 1919034 Link
Under no circumstances should Cork offer a replay. The same way Meath were dead right not to offer Louth a replay in 2010. It's a county board's job to prepare and field as competitive a team as possible in the respective competitions, and in turn it's the GAA's/LGFA's responsibility to provide a competent set of match officials. Cork (and Meath) upheld their side of the deal, why should they dig the GAA/LGFA out of a hole just because they can't provide decent referees/umpires? If a county board makes a mess of preparing a team, doesn't have a proper coaching team in place and gets beaten by 20 points in the championship, they can't go to the GAA looking for a replay on the basis that they'll get it right the next time. The Leinster council hung Meath out to dry last time by dangling the prospect of a replay but leaving it in Meath's court, making Meath out to be the bad guys when they refused. It'll be interesting to see what the LGFA's response will be. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 25/09/2016 21:47:57 1919035 Link