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Posters what to do ye make of the new GPA deal? Loads of fancy proposals about inter county players. However no mention of the ordinary club player. Yet again the GAA/GPA just look after the elite players of which is prob 2% of GAA players.WHY Havent GPA tackled the club structures and lack of games? One of the policies of newly elected GAA president was to tackle the issue of club fixtures. Doesn't look like anything will change?? Mullerm (Cork) - Posts: 87 - 27/07/2016 10:59:07 1890849 Link
Sean Fogarty has it right................ When asked for his reaction by The Examiner, the Tipperary man replied: "In one sentence, we have created a monster and now we have to feed him. "I would have serious reservations about just how much is being made available to the inter-county player when it's the club player who is struggling most." He continued: "Clubs are on their knees, struggling to pay €1,000 to affiliate junior B teams that are vaguely interested in playing football and hurling. "I have the height of respect for inter-county players but there is an imbalance between how club and county players are treated. "I was on the bus to Cavan to watch the Tipperary footballers last Saturday with ordinary guys and they're all struggling. "We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat. "We're begging the same people time after time for the sake of the club. "If we can give over €6m a year to guys who are already well treated and don't have to buy a bit of gear and get overnight stays, then surely we can do more to recognise sacrifices made by club players." ************** personally, i think the GAA are giving the GPA a few pound to keep them quiet and on-side wishfulthinkin (Cavan)** - Posts: 1680 - 27/07/2016 11:24:32 1890863 Link
Replying To Mullerm: "Posters what to do ye make of the new GPA deal? Loads of fancy proposals about inter county players. However no mention of the ordinary club player. Yet again the GAA/GPA just look after the elite players of which is prob 2% of GAA players.WHY Havent GPA tackled the club structures and lack of games? One of the policies of newly elected GAA president was to tackle the issue of club fixtures. Doesn't look like anything will change??" Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments , never ever have the GPA ever claimed to be anything other than what they are ., an organisation devoted to the welfare wellbeing of inter-county players ,they are consistent when ever this topic is raised , they represented their members only. Congress and delegates county boards etc are supposed to represent rank and file. Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 27/07/2016 11:25:08 1890865 Link
The GPA couldn't care less about club players and why would they. As previously stated they were set up for county players. The monster as Sean Fogarty calls it is in bigger danger of eating itself as GPA is now for the elite of the elite county players. There's money to be made by all sorts of companies and individuals nowadays in county set-ups. So whilst the GPA have no interest in the clubs Damo is 100% correct that Congress and county boards should be looking after them. At the end of the year when you look at county board financial statements its that clubs who make up the bulk of the donations. Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 27/07/2016 12:12:17 1890888 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "Sean Fogarty has it right................ When asked for his reaction by The Examiner, the Tipperary man replied: "In one sentence, we have created a monster and now we have to feed him. "I would have serious reservations about just how much is being made available to the inter-county player when it's the club player who is struggling most." He continued: "Clubs are on their knees, struggling to pay €1,000 to affiliate junior B teams that are vaguely interested in playing football and hurling. "I have the height of respect for inter-county players but there is an imbalance between how club and county players are treated. "I was on the bus to Cavan to watch the Tipperary footballers last Saturday with ordinary guys and they're all struggling. "We have become reduced to the roles of ticket sellers to keep clubs afloat. "We're begging the same people time after time for the sake of the club. "If we can give over €6m a year to guys who are already well treated and don't have to buy a bit of gear and get overnight stays, then surely we can do more to recognise sacrifices made by club players." ************** personally, i think the GAA are giving the GPA a few pound to keep them quiet and on-side" No matter how they dress up with their silly PR language - it is elitism and yeah more power to them. But when people moan about clubs folding, forced to merge and clubs players left asking themselves "what the hell is this all about" - then there will be less players and certainly less people to volunteer and nuture another generation. GAA cannot be two things, it is becoming two things. The good old tried and trusted Irish model is, if something is wrong, if something needs fixing give the whingers money and shut them up. The problems of Inter-county players and the demands on them won't go away because they are getting X cents per mile/KM, players will still have to train 5 nights a week. The fact his petrol/diesel is paid for is largely irrelevant if his life and career are on hold. As sure as night follows day, it will be contracts, wages and then clubs will rightly look for "compensation" and before you know it, we'll all be saying "you know it such a pity that was a good thing". arock (Dublin)** - Posts: 4896 - 27/07/2016 14:00:07 1890947 Link
This thread about one of the most significant decisions since formation of GPA with 4 replies sums up the reality in the GAA at the moment. The majority of "supporters" are only interested in County Football/Hurling. Clubs are just something to provide the players into this system. Other Threads - Is no lucky all-irelands a myth? 80 Replies - Sensitive' Posters 23 replies.. County you least want to see win in football? 12 Replies - Think i will start a thread about the weather... Oh wait... Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 27/07/2016 16:11:45 1891044 Link
Replying To Mid Don: "This thread about one of the most significant decisions since formation of GPA with 4 replies sums up the reality in the GAA at the moment. The majority of "supporters" are only interested in County Football/Hurling. Clubs are just something to provide the players into this system. Other Threads - Is no lucky all-irelands a myth? 80 Replies - Sensitive' Posters 23 replies.. County you least want to see win in football? 12 Replies - Think i will start a thread about the weather... Oh wait..." County game is where the money is and it's where the best product is. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 27/07/2016 16:46:18 1891068 Link
The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests.. not to prop up struggling clubs. The GAA should prop up struggling clubs but struggling clubs have no business being in this debate about GPA agreements. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 17:22:19 1891095 Link
Replying To realman2: "The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests.. not to prop up struggling clubs. The GAA should prop up struggling clubs but struggling clubs have no business being in this debate about GPA agreements." so club over county is all just talk?! wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1680 - 27/07/2016 17:31:06 1891099 Link
Replying To realman2: "The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests.. not to prop up struggling clubs. The GAA should prop up struggling clubs but struggling clubs have no business being in this debate about GPA agreements." Name of the thread is GPA CLUB AGENDA ??? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 27/07/2016 17:36:55 1891105 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Name of the thread is GPA CLUB AGENDA ???" They don't have an agenda for anything beyond intercounty players so the forum name isn't really dealing in reality realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 18:19:47 1891122 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "so club over county is all just talk?!" Talk by who? Not the GPA anyway. They are clear in their responsibilities. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 18:20:45 1891123 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Name of the thread is GPA CLUB AGENDA ???" I could start a discussion thread asking what Dublin are going to do to help hurling in Ulster. It doesn't mean that they are going to do anything. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 18:23:55 1891125 Link
I don't understand why people expect to be represented by groups that they are not members of. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 18:26:46 1891126 Link
Replying To realman2: "The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests.. not to prop up struggling clubs. The GAA should prop up struggling clubs but struggling clubs have no business being in this debate about GPA agreements." "The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests." Can you explain that for me? I don't understand the defending their interest bit? Who decides who is and isn't an inter-county player? These people do not have a contract or a god given right to play for their counties, a change of manager and they go finito there are no interests for them to defend. These are club players who happen to play Inter-county, the Inter-county team is voted in/supported by (or not) by the clubs and the county membership. If clubs don't release them they won't play end of. Their job is two fold, to play for the their club and play for their county. The club/county player in the GAA is indivisible, it is one and the same thing. The harsh reality is there will be NO Intercounty game for anyone to enjoy if the GAA gets this wrong, I happen to think players do need to be rewarded but it is not a job nor never will it be one. Paying for gas in their tank won't lessen the demands on them, won't make life one bit easier except very very slightly in their pocket, it is pocket money, for which they will have to shut and put up. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 27/07/2016 18:47:09 1891133 Link
Replying To arock: ""The job of intercounty players, after playing football, is to defend their interests." Can you explain that for me? I don't understand the defending their interest bit? Who decides who is and isn't an inter-county player? These people do not have a contract or a god given right to play for their counties, a change of manager and they go finito there are no interests for them to defend. These are club players who happen to play Inter-county, the Inter-county team is voted in/supported by (or not) by the clubs and the county membership. If clubs don't release them they won't play end of. Their job is two fold, to play for the their club and play for their county. The club/county player in the GAA is indivisible, it is one and the same thing. The harsh reality is there will be NO Intercounty game for anyone to enjoy if the GAA gets this wrong, I happen to think players do need to be rewarded but it is not a job nor never will it be one. Paying for gas in their tank won't lessen the demands on them, won't make life one bit easier except very very slightly in their pocket, it is pocket money, for which they will have to shut and put up." I can't make head nor tail of your point..."clubs have to release players"..no idea how you think this is how it works..."the GAA have to get this right"...what exactly? As stated already the common member of the GAA club be it playing or anything else do not pay subs to the GPA and have not been invited to join the GPA so they should not expect to be represented by the GPA. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 27/07/2016 21:36:48 1891230 Link
Appeasement - feeding a crocodile in the hope he'll eat you last. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 27/07/2016 22:06:14 1891257 Link
Where will the GPA get their members in the future if the club structure is struggling to produce them. Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 10:21:53 1891370 Link
County players feast at the top table... club players fight for the crumbs underneath the table! sidelinecut40 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 85 - 28/07/2016 10:27:21 1891376 Link
Clubs don't realise just how much power they have But it will take a leadership to be established with a clear set of goals The GPA fought tooth and nail for a very long time to have what it has now Club people want everything handed to them, there's too much chest beating and no direct action/commitment Where is the CLUB PLAYERS ASSOCIATION - THE CPA? Where are the men and women willing to dedicate themselves to that cause, find funding, find common ground and the commitment to force through change Because that's exactly what a small bunch of former/playing Inter County players did and look at what they were able to achieve with 2000+ members - imagine what 10's of thousands of members could achieve The Clubs hold so much power but many are just a bunch of inward looking whingers, and until that changes nothing is going to be done or achieved. Highlighting why the GPA aren't doing the work for you is so fecking misguided. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/07/2016 10:45:52 1891384 Link