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Football evolving full circle again

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Has football evolved from 'win at all costs' to 'afraid to win at all costs' and now slowly moving back to a more traditional brand of football where teams go out to take a cut at winning again?

Worryingly for hurling it may be just beginning the cycle!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 23/07/2016 20:56:49    1888773

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Replying To pigonastick:  "Has football evolved from 'win at all costs' to 'afraid to win at all costs' and now slowly moving back to a more traditional brand of football where teams go out to take a cut at winning again?

Worryingly for hurling it may be just beginning the cycle!"
I think the results this season have been encouraging. The most defensive teams so far have underperformed.

I hope Donegal or Tyrone have more up their sleeves for the rest of the season.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 23/07/2016 23:37:10    1888901

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Replying To pigonastick:  "Has football evolved from 'win at all costs' to 'afraid to win at all costs' and now slowly moving back to a more traditional brand of football where teams go out to take a cut at winning again?

Worryingly for hurling it may be just beginning the cycle!"
Typical, just when we have started playing defensively.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 23/07/2016 23:44:43    1888904

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Fingers crossed

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 23/07/2016 23:51:01    1888908

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What more up our sleeves? More than the 127 points throughout the league and the 3-14 against Derry and 5-34 over two games against Cavan in the championship?

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 23/07/2016 23:53:24    1888909

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3.38 was some total in Breffni with only one point in it at the end,
Much too much focus on one or two very defensive matches led mainly by our broadcasting and print media.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 24/07/2016 02:42:59    1888941

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Replying To Wally:  "What more up our sleeves? More than the 127 points throughout the league and the 3-14 against Derry and 5-34 over two games against Cavan in the championship?"
I'm not sure you can sit back against Dublin and allow them on to you and then counter attack.

Dublin aren't as naive as the likes of Derry. They're much less susceptible to the counter attack and will choke up possession against your defense a whole lot less.

I'm hoping that you'll be genuine All Ireland contenders, I think you'll have to go toe to toe more against Dublin than you did against Donegal. If you don't I think they'll pick you off, they're not as green as 2014.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/07/2016 11:07:40    1889022

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a galwayv Kerry all Ireland final
would see the traditional football countys meet
with the aristocrats of gaelic football playing for sam in croke park
on a hopefull sunny September sunday afternoon
but would foot ball in over the defensive style both countys have bought into
no that's is the questiom

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 24/07/2016 11:08:36    1889024

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Replying To rhudson:  "a galwayv Kerry all Ireland final
would see the traditional football countys meet
with the aristocrats of gaelic football playing for sam in croke park
on a hopefull sunny September sunday afternoon
but would foot ball in over the defensive style both countys have bought into
no that's is the questiom"
Well those days are definitely gone. Galway were the last team to hold on to the traditional style but years of getting hammered put that to bed.

As for Kerry. Forget about it. They are one of the most cynical teams in the game and they have been involved in some of the worst games played in the modern era including two horrible all Ireland finals.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 24/07/2016 13:28:20    1889102

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I'm not sure you can sit back against Dublin and allow them on to you and then counter attack.

Dublin aren't as naive as the likes of Derry. They're much less susceptible to the counter attack and will choke up possession against your defense a whole lot less.

I'm hoping that you'll be genuine All Ireland contenders, I think you'll have to go toe to toe more against Dublin than you did against Donegal. If you don't I think they'll pick you off, they're not as green as 2014."
Exactly, I think Tyrone have the players to win an all Ireland this year but the system may let them down unless they recognise that it is a limited system and they need to have more of a go if they are to win an all Ireland!

I think though if they haven't already got a plan to adapt this year already they will have come next year!

Hold fire on rule changes I believe in 2 years time attacking football will be the new defensive football!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 24/07/2016 15:00:25    1889142

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Well at least full circle would be better then side to side and backwards! :D

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 24/07/2016 21:51:19    1889412

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Replying To Curlew66:  "3.38 was some total in Breffni with only one point in it at the end,
Much too much focus on one or two very defensive matches led mainly by our broadcasting and print media."
Couldn't agree more. Some people only focus on the negative and believe it is their god given right to only been shown thrillers week in week out

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 24/07/2016 22:07:52    1889423

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Replying To rhudson:  "a galwayv Kerry all Ireland final
would see the traditional football countys meet
with the aristocrats of gaelic football playing for sam in croke park
on a hopefull sunny September sunday afternoon
but would foot ball in over the defensive style both countys have bought into
no that's is the questiom"
You are comparing Galway to Kerry? Really?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 24/07/2016 22:10:03    1889426

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Replying To pigonastick:  "Has football evolved from 'win at all costs' to 'afraid to win at all costs' and now slowly moving back to a more traditional brand of football where teams go out to take a cut at winning again?

Worryingly for hurling it may be just beginning the cycle!"
So late nineteenth and early twentieth century football was 'win at all costs' ? Would you care to show the evidence for this?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2480 - 24/07/2016 22:16:05    1889428

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