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Gaelic football is dying a slow death
at the minute with the defensive/
negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions
as to how to improve the game in his
article in The Irish News yesterday (can
someone put this link up if you like -not
sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should
be implemented and are there any
other rule changes needed to save
the game???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 21/07/2016 13:44:22
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death
at the minute with the defensive/
negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions
as to how to improve the game in his
article in The Irish News yesterday (can
someone put this link up if you like -not
sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should
be implemented and are there any
other rule changes needed to save
the game???" Get your county players to shape up and come to play and you'll be happier!
Down people don't dislike this level of defending, in fact they blame Tyrone for it and have been to an All Ireland final since Tyrone are supposed to have destroyed the game. There were no complaints in 2010, I was at university living with a person from Down, That final was brutal as well!
Irrelevance for a big county is your issue, you get the same with Meath fans all the time.
I don't think changing any rules would have a Down or Meath team advance further in the championships when they don't have the heart and desire of some of the other teams bigger and smaller than them, Passion is huge is our game
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 21/07/2016 14:11:29
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Gaelic football is dying a slow death at the minute with the defensive/negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions as to how to improve the game in his article in The Irish News yesterday (can someone put this link up if you like -not sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should be implemented and are there any other rule changes needed to save the game???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1286 - 21/07/2016 13:44How does removing the black card help with stopping negative tactics?
13 a side doesn't mean much. There may be more space but tactics will still be the same as now.
And its very simply to add a link to an article. Just copy and paste the link to article and use the url button in the add new post page to hyperlink it
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/07/2016 14:20:14
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death
at the minute with the defensive/
negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions
as to how to improve the game in his
article in The Irish News yesterday (can
someone put this link up if you like -not
sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should
be implemented and are there any
other rule changes needed to save
the game???" Is this the article?
http:/link
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 21/07/2016 14:32:00
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Replying To CroiGorm: "Is this the article? http:/ link"
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CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 21/07/2016 14:35:12
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Replying To Seansy48: "Get your county players to shape up and come to play and you'll be happier!
Down people don't dislike this level of defending, in fact they blame Tyrone for it and have been to an All Ireland final since Tyrone are supposed to have destroyed the game. There were no complaints in 2010, I was at university living with a person from Down, That final was brutal as well!
Irrelevance for a big county is your issue, you get the same with Meath fans all the time.
I don't think changing any rules would have a Down or Meath team advance further in the championships when they don't have the heart and desire of some of the other teams bigger and smaller than them, Passion is huge is our game" Down played some great attacking
football in 2010 against Kerry and
Kildare.
Even if we were prospering under
the blanket defence system while
good for us it would be bad for
the game. The game is more
important than any individual
county. It has to be watchable.
So why not change the rules to
improve things???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 21/07/2016 14:36:43
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death at the minute with the defensive/negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions as to how to improve the game in his article in The Irish News yesterday (can someone put this link up if you like -not sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should be implemented and are there any other rule changes needed to save the game???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1286 - 21/07/2016 13:44How does removing the black card help with stopping negative tactics?
13 a side doesn't mean much. There may be more space but tactics will still be the same as now.
And its very simply to add a link to an article. Just copy and paste the link to article and use the url button in the add new post page to hyperlink it" It's also just as simple to use the 'post reply' function.
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 21/07/2016 14:39:21
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death
at the minute with the defensive/
negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions
as to how to improve the game in his
article in The Irish News yesterday (can
someone put this link up if you like -not
sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should
be implemented and are there any
other rule changes needed to save
the game???" End the black card if those options.
Instead of a TMO have umpires more involved. Have them as a linesman on the endline their side of the goal when the play is near there while the other umpire watches the goal for shots and incidents.
Seems a bit of a taboo to take ideas from other sports but I think they could learn from basketball, rugby and other sports by promoting attacking play rather than trying to prevent more defensive setups.
A turnover once a player moves a ball back to his own half. (Back court rule). 4 points for a goal from play. (5 point try). 2 points for a point from play outside the 40 and 3 points for a point outside the 40 less than a yard from the sideline from play. (3 point rule). Maybe even have interchange players like basketball and a team would get a free 21 yard free if the other had 8 infringements in a half? These are naive I know but I don't think curbing the defensive stuff is the way to go. Still plenty of upside to having a packed defence when more reward for scoring might give more upside to attacking.
It should be debated, proposed and voted on by players, coaches and referees only, who are involved day-to-day, and not by county board and central council officials who seem out of touch with the games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 21/07/2016 14:40:09
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death at the minute with the defensive/negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions as to how to improve the game in his article in The Irish News yesterday (can someone put this link up if you like -not sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should be implemented and are there any other rule changes needed to save the game???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1286 - 21/07/2016 13:44How does removing the black card help with stopping negative tactics?
13 a side doesn't mean much. There may be more space but tactics will still be the same as now.
And its very simply to add a link to an article. Just copy and paste the link to article and use the url button in the add new post page to hyperlink it" Ormond I thought the black card
removal call was out of step with
the other rule changes he said as
well but he said it was because
referees couldn't officiate the rule
properly.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 21/07/2016 14:40:40
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"Risk Rewards". Thanks.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 21/07/2016 14:43:17
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Replying To CroiGorm: " Replying To CroiGorm: "Is this the article? http:/ link" Will try again! link"
Croigorm.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 21/07/2016 14:51:31
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: " Replying To CroiGorm: "Is this the article? http:/ link" CroiGorm it was an article titled "Risk Rewards". Thanks."
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 21/07/2016 14:52:25
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "Gaelic football is dying a slow death at the minute with the defensive/negative tactics.
Danny Hughes made a few suggestions as to how to improve the game in his article in The Irish News yesterday (can someone put this link up if you like -not sure how to thanks).
Rules changes he suggested:
1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
Which of these rule changes should be implemented and are there any other rule changes needed to save the game???
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1286 - 21/07/2016 13:44How does removing the black card help with stopping negative tactics?
13 a side doesn't mean much. There may be more space but tactics will still be the same as now.
And its very simply to add a link to an article. Just copy and paste the link to article and use the url button in the add new post page to hyperlink it" Ormond I thought the black card removal call was out of step with the other rule changes he said as well but he said it was because referees couldn't officiate the rule properly."
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 21/07/2016 15:00:19
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Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Down played some great attacking
football in 2010 against Kerry and
Kildare.
Even if we were prospering under
the blanket defence system while
good for us it would be bad for
the game. The game is more
important than any individual
county. It has to be watchable.
So why not change the rules to
improve things???" Red and Black I have no love for the blanket defense in its current form.
To be perfectly honest it's utter madness to say that the swarm defending Tyrone brought into the game is the same as what blanket defense has become.
I'm going to link you to Cormac's last Tyrone game 2004 McKenna cup final, it's a one minute snippet but it shows what Tyrone do and have done traditionally since Mickey Harte has taken over.
Defend in numbers, generate the turnover and then show off your pace and skill on the break. There's a stark difference between that and Defend in numbers, generate the turnover and then slow the game away down.
It's the simple difference of waiting for space to appear, which it didn't in the 2nd half for Donegal on Sunday and generating spaces in the defense by attacking with flair like Tyrone did
https://youtu.be/xihpdLUJKsA
R.I.P. The Bantry boy!
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 21/07/2016 15:10:13
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1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
1.) Won't change the fact that sides defend inside the 45. It just will mean 12 instead of 14 inside their own 45.
2.) Ridiculous suggestion. A side that has a strong midfield will win every game. So now we are rewarding sides with strong midfields rather than a good defensive side.
3.) I agree with that but it would have zero impact on standard of game
4.) Where are these cameras going to come from? Is it only county championship games or selected grounds?
Not that theres anything wrong but if you want to bring teams out of the 45 you have to give them a reason to come out. Reward scores from outside the 45 as 2 points and you will see the teams come flying out of their 45s to stop those scores going over.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 21/07/2016 17:01:06
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Replying To gotmilk: "1 13 a side
2 All kickbouts have to cross the 45
3 Ending of the black card
4 Television Match Official
1.) Won't change the fact that sides defend inside the 45. It just will mean 12 instead of 14 inside their own 45.
2.) Ridiculous suggestion. A side that has a strong midfield will win every game. So now we are rewarding sides with strong midfields rather than a good defensive side.
3.) I agree with that but it would have zero impact on standard of game
4.) Where are these cameras going to come from? Is it only county championship games or selected grounds?
Not that theres anything wrong but if you want to bring teams out of the 45 you have to give them a reason to come out. Reward scores from outside the 45 as 2 points and you will see the teams come flying out of their 45s to stop those scores going over." Deadly. Imagine an All Ireland Final. The attacking team's a point down, ref's about to blow the whistle. Centre forward is a yard inside the 45. Rather than kick for draw he goes in reverse facing the goal, like a three point shooter reversing to be in range for the three point shot, gets the shot off despite two men bearing down on him. Straight over the lath. Epic !
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 21/07/2016 20:05:58
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More rule changes are exactly what's needed and it's fundamentally important that they are not implemented properly and are contradictory in nature. Then if the situation gets worse we'll just bring in more rules. Under no circumstances must we address any basic flaws in original rules or their application - that would just be ridiculous.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 21/07/2016 21:02:49
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