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Hurling on the Leaving Cert and A levels syllabus

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What does everyone make of Martin Fogarty's suggestion of having hurling on our second level education curriculum. I think its refreshing to see him coming out with something different and new that I have never heard anyone mention before. Obviously careful consideration would be needed into how you would examine such a subject but in principle I think it could work. If it is not your cup of tea you wouldn't have to study it just like any other subject that was optional in school. I say fair play to Fogarty but I can also see him coming in for ridicule with this suggestion. But hey he will definitely raise the profile of hurling and that is a big part of his role. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 18:20:22 1887199 Link
I take his point about hurling being part of our culture and heritage, but it should not be a Leaving Cert subject, that's a little silly. Maybe there's an argument for having some sort of cultural studies subject, which hurling and Gaelic Games could be included in. But getting points in your leaving cert for being able to play hurling, or any sport, is not a good idea. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 20/07/2016 18:49:21 1887208 Link
If the Irish language has taught us anything, it's that the one surefire way of ensuring a huge amount of people hate and resent something they don't value it's to make it a compulsory subject in school. As the saying goes, if the government really wanted to make Irish more popular, they should have banned it. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1648 - 20/07/2016 19:08:05 1887213 Link
Replying To Marlon_JD: "I take his point about hurling being part of our culture and heritage, but it should not be a Leaving Cert subject, that's a little silly. Maybe there's an argument for having some sort of cultural studies subject, which hurling and Gaelic Games could be included in. But getting points in your leaving cert for being able to play hurling, or any sport, is not a good idea." Yeah having a subject on cultural studies in school is a very good idea. I think he corrected himself and said you could accumulate marks for coaching hurling or knowing the history of the sport too. Maybe I mis-read it. At least he is not afraid to stick his neck out there so I respect him for doing that. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 19:17:29 1887216 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "What does everyone make of Martin Fogarty's suggestion of having hurling on our second level education curriculum. I think its refreshing to see him coming out with something different and new that I have never heard anyone mention before. Obviously careful consideration would be needed into how you would examine such a subject but in principle I think it could work. If it is not your cup of tea you wouldn't have to study it just like any other subject that was optional in school. I say fair play to Fogarty but I can also see him coming in for ridicule with this suggestion. But hey he will definitely raise the profile of hurling and that is a big part of his role." Whatever about anything else, he shouldn't receive any ridicule for it anyway. It says in the article that it was a Finnish woman whom he met at a cultural event who put the idea in his head. She told him that if hurling was the national sport in Finland it would be included in the school curriculum. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 20/07/2016 19:40:33 1887218 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "Yeah having a subject on cultural studies in school is a very good idea. I think he corrected himself and said you could accumulate marks for coaching hurling or knowing the history of the sport too. Maybe I mis-read it. At least he is not afraid to stick his neck out there so I respect him for doing that." Im all for whats good for hurling but this is ridiculous. Put the resources in place to make the game more attractive at school level and then let the students decide. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 20/07/2016 19:40:57 1887219 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "If the Irish language has taught us anything, it's that the one surefire way of ensuring a huge amount of people hate and resent something they don't value it's to make it a compulsory subject in school. As the saying goes, if the government really wanted to make Irish more popular, they should have banned it." Beat me to it well said my thoughts exactly, I agree with the sentiment but no thanks. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 20/07/2016 20:25:47 1887236 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "If the Irish language has taught us anything, it's that the one surefire way of ensuring a huge amount of people hate and resent something they don't value it's to make it a compulsory subject in school. As the saying goes, if the government really wanted to make Irish more popular, they should have banned it." Haha, I like it, thanks for your opinions on this one. I don't think he was saying to make it a compulsory subject though but I could be wrong. I think some sort of Irish cultural studies that is offered as an optional subject would be nice. Maybe mix it in with conversational Irish and drop the Modh Coinniolach and all that auld stuff that made Irish torturous to learn growing up. It could also help Immigrants integrate into Irish society. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 20:33:28 1887243 Link
Gaelic Games are already part of the primary PE curriculum in the south. It is a ridiculous suggestion to make hurling part of the Leaving Cert curriculum, though. Maybe give credit through the Junior cert and leaving cert courses? football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 20/07/2016 20:37:15 1887246 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Whatever about anything else, he shouldn't receive any ridicule for it anyway. It says in the article that it was a Finnish woman whom he met at a cultural event who put the idea in his head. She told him that if hurling was the national sport in Finland it would be included in the school curriculum." Very interesting pool sturgeon. I must have only read a shortened version of the article because I missed that. I think I heard a couple of years ago that the French were going to give second level points towards college for PE in a bid to tackle obesity. Some version of that could help in Ireland because I think we are on course to be the fattest country in Europe and we have really high levels of childhood obesity. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 20:37:56 1887247 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "Im all for whats good for hurling but this is ridiculous. Put the resources in place to make the game more attractive at school level and then let the students decide." Yeah I definitely agree about putting the resources in place. Hurleys and helmets are expensive to buy. Do you know of any scheme where kids can buy these second hand? Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 20:41:21 1887250 Link
There are enough clowns trying to skew the curriculum to accommodate their particular 'hobby horse' without the GAA adding to the list neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 20/07/2016 20:46:58 1887255 Link
Replying To arock: "Beat me to it well said my thoughts exactly, I agree with the sentiment but no thanks." I don't think anyone is disputing how hard Irish was to learn as a kid. I hope it's easier now. You would hope that whatever proposal that could be drafted together would have learnt from past mistakes like that. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 20:48:12 1887258 Link
When I was growing up hurling was part of my second tier education curriculum. We called it PE. DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 20/07/2016 23:06:03 1887337 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Whatever about anything else, he shouldn't receive any ridicule for it anyway. It says in the article that it was a Finnish woman whom he met at a cultural event who put the idea in his head. She told him that if hurling was the national sport in Finland it would be included in the school curriculum." The Finns would be a good country for us to take example from. GormlaighG (Mayo) - Posts: 77 - 21/07/2016 01:39:30 1887370 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "If the Irish language has taught us anything, it's that the one surefire way of ensuring a huge amount of people hate and resent something they don't value it's to make it a compulsory subject in school. As the saying goes, if the government really wanted to make Irish more popular, they should have banned it." Agree 100%. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/07/2016 11:39:32 1887495 Link
what about putting shinty on the curriculum? that game is much closer to the ancient game of hurling that is part of our culture bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/07/2016 11:43:35 1887503 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "what about putting shinty on the curriculum? that game is much closer to the ancient game of hurling that is part of our culture" Please tell us more? Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2016 13:36:03 1887608 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "Please tell us more?" Google it ...start with looking at shape of the sticks. Also, look at it from a linguistic point of view - translate shinty and hurling into gaelic... The sport (hurling) that is being played now doesn't even resemble what was played 20 years ago. There is something more refreshing and unique and cultural about shinty (in my opinion). Still we have what we have - 'work rate' and 'win your own ball' are now the narratives that define the sport. Translated, that means we have constant rucks and cynical play. I'll probably get about 50 thumbs down for this no doubt and probably be told how useless Cork are as well. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/07/2016 16:06:59 1887758 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "what about putting shinty on the curriculum? that game is much closer to the ancient game of hurling that is part of our culture" Shinty's biggest games attract crowds of about 2'000. Hardly the example we should be following.... CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1648 - 21/07/2016 16:21:45 1887764 Link