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There has been a lot of talk about the standard of football. When Tyrone threw off the shackles in the last 5 minutes today we seen that quality is still there. Football though has become like basketball with no physical edge. It appears players are afraid to go into challenges as it is too easy for opposing players to bounce off them, resulting in black cards. Of course we do not want players stopping scores through thought out pulling and dragging, however whilst attempting to improve the game and increase scoring ratios, has the black card actually seen the death of the game ?. O'Rourke called it today, we have the yellow and red card rule, this black card rule needs to be scrapped. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 17/07/2016 18:16:08 1884845 Link 0 |
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The Black Card is not at all killing the game. In fact its helping improve it. That players may not be approaching challenges like before is different but until the "tackle" is improved and defined better than what would you do. The black card doesnt need to be scrapped as it stops cynicism when used correctly
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/07/2016 19:11:29 1884898 Link 0 |
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But it's never used correctly.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/07/2016 19:37:14 1884929 Link 0 |
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I'd have to disagree with you there Ormond. I think the black card was lazily introduced by the GAA because they didn't want to solve the problem of referees inconsistently refereeing the red and yellow card. Colm Boyle would not blatantly taken down the Kildare man yesterday had it been a good ref under old pre-blackcard rules. It would have been a straight red. He knew his time for the crime was he'd go off a fresh sub on for him and he can play the next game. I'm not knocking refs here, an unbelievably tough thankless job , they're the first names when results go wrong and scapegoats are looked for. I think rather than improving refereeing standard that the black card has shafted referees. It's not an adequate prevention against cynical play. Did GAA top brass make much of an effort to ask players, coaches and referees before they introduced it? In my opinion they didn't. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 17/07/2016 19:46:41 1884940 Link 0 |
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I mostly agree with this. However, when did you ever see a player get a straight red for the type of tackle that you mention? Not a smartass question as I cannot recall an incident in either club or county where this happened bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 18/07/2016 15:29:31 1885640 Link 0 |
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No, it''s not the black card that is killing the game. It''s the 'black death' of defensive football like we saw yesterday. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 18/07/2016 15:55:35 1885666 Link 1 |
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Nothing too wrong with it in principle, and when applied to correct situations it does what it's intended to. Trouble is the circumstances of a player going to ground need to be taken into account. What our own Boyler did is a black card all day long. What Connolly did isn't one for me... a yellow for him for stupidly falling for provocation and one for the lad who wound him up with inappropriate contact. Same as I would have done with Seamus O'Shea and Johnny Cooper last year. If refs don't use their cop on players will find ways of exploiting the inconsistency. Think the second black given to Tyrone yesterday was a joke... the lad was just trying to protect the crown jewels. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 18/07/2016 16:56:40 1885732 Link 0 |
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And last weekend too right?
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/07/2016 17:20:59 1885750 Link 1 |
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Cynical fouls anywhere on the park should be punished by yellow card and 21 yard free in front of the posts for attacking team. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 18/07/2016 18:07:54 1885771 Link 0 |
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I think the black card has its merits. It's all but cut out the body checks after a player has released the ball and that has helped facilitate good movement and support play (though people may argue it just facilitates the short running and hand passing game but that's an argument for another day). The reasonably high profile incident involving Richie Feeney for Castlebar vs. St. Vincent's put this on the map and I think dividends have been paid since. Like most posters, I wish the black card was implemented consistently and I certainly wish all commentators, co-commentators and analysts were provided with a photocopy of the actual rules behind the black card and were forced to read these three times each and every time before they were allowed to make a comment on black card implementation because I've heard them get the interpretation wrong on far too many occasions. If these lads can't get it right, what hope for the masses? Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 18/07/2016 18:19:26 1885777 Link 1 |
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A particular point about the black cards. How is a 1 match ban for 3 black cards or 6 yellows supposed to be fair when some counties are playing 4 or even 5 matches to get to the Quarter Final whilst some others are playing 2? tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 28/07/2016 19:05:45 1891681 Link 1 |
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That's a very good point, the Al Ireland structure has to re designed, and teams need to be seeded as well.
TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 28/07/2016 21:27:37 1891730 Link 0 |