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Having seen what happened at the weekend,citing seems to be a popular suggestion to discourage cheating.
With citing happening after the event and as in the O Shea incident the penalty being scored and being a deciding factor in the outcome what good is that to Fermanagh.The game is over and Mayo have been awarded the victory.If a player is going to cheat and a lot of posters seem to suggest that they don't really care as long as it gives them an advantage, is it likely to make a big difference."Other teams are at it and so should we" seems to be the attitude.Hardly likely to discourage a fella if it gets them an AI.
Does the score get cancelled out once reviewed and even then what good would that do in a lot of cases.
Live assessment on the day is probably the only way of having a hope of punishing a player as citing will do little to stop cheating IMO.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 12/07/2016 08:43:46
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Well guys wont take their red cards at present so I imagine citing would descend into the same farce with appeals etc
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Replying To TheMaster: "Well guys wont take their red cards at present so I imagine citing would descend into the same farce with appeals etc" Totally agree lads should accept there punishment when clearly in the wrong but there should be more citing and bans imposed,
Action should be taken against both AOS and Colm Boyle after Saturdays game. In sundays game twice galway lads kicked out and it was seen both times but linemen who ignored it they were a joke. One of the kicks was kind of caught on camera for anyone who has it recorded, After Roscommon Scored opening point of match galway player kicked him camera just catches it before moving away. I seen it at match and Liam McHale was going mental at lineman who chose to turn a blind eye
Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 12/07/2016 10:45:03
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I know what you are saying but the Boyle's incident is being overplayed, it looked far worse in slow motion to be honest with you. There were dirtier hits thrown off the ball or when lads were surrounded while in possession. There was little in it in real time.
But my point is, they would be appealed. To be honest, the appeals of blatant and obvious fouls is a far more dishonest act than anything we seen at the weekend. Guys have time to consider their actions, and peers to review the idea with, and still decide to do it. If we are citing anyone, then guys bringing the game into disrepute with those decisions should be first in line. First rule Id be bringing in - frivolous appeals will result in an extended ban.
TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/07/2016 11:10:48
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Replying To TheMaster: "I know what you are saying but the Boyle's incident is being overplayed, it looked far worse in slow motion to be honest with you. There were dirtier hits thrown off the ball or when lads were surrounded while in possession. There was little in it in real time.
But my point is, they would be appealed. To be honest, the appeals of blatant and obvious fouls is a far more dishonest act than anything we seen at the weekend. Guys have time to consider their actions, and peers to review the idea with, and still decide to do it. If we are citing anyone, then guys bringing the game into disrepute with those decisions should be first in line. First rule Id be bringing in - frivolous appeals will result in an extended ban." Yes i agree with this.The way all counties go to all lengths to defend the indefensible is a blight on our games.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/07/2016 12:05:58
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Replying To TheMaster: "I know what you are saying but the Boyle's incident is being overplayed, it looked far worse in slow motion to be honest with you. There were dirtier hits thrown off the ball or when lads were surrounded while in possession. There was little in it in real time.
But my point is, they would be appealed. To be honest, the appeals of blatant and obvious fouls is a far more dishonest act than anything we seen at the weekend. Guys have time to consider their actions, and peers to review the idea with, and still decide to do it. If we are citing anyone, then guys bringing the game into disrepute with those decisions should be first in line. First rule Id be bringing in - frivolous appeals will result in an extended ban." Genuine question Master. How is the CB incident being overplayed ? It wasn't even mentioned on the SG ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2016 12:12:24
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "Having seen what happened at the weekend,citing seems to be a popular suggestion to discourage cheating.
With citing happening after the event and as in the O Shea incident the penalty being scored and being a deciding factor in the outcome what good is that to Fermanagh.The game is over and Mayo have been awarded the victory.If a player is going to cheat and a lot of posters seem to suggest that they don't really care as long as it gives them an advantage, is it likely to make a big difference."Other teams are at it and so should we" seems to be the attitude.Hardly likely to discourage a fella if it gets them an AI.
Does the score get cancelled out once reviewed and even then what good would that do in a lot of cases.
Live assessment on the day is probably the only way of having a hope of punishing a player as citing will do little to stop cheating IMO." Good post. I believe that 'citing' should be available to sort out some of the cynical acts that are missed by officials on the day. However, in order to see that a team does not suffer from an incorrect decision, as Fermanagh did, and the offending team gain the sought after but unfair advantage, you need some form of immediate assessment such as Spillane and Brolly spoke of. Once the incident has passed and the play moves on, the team offended against will not get any justice. Managers/players/supporters of the offending team will go to any lengths to defend the actions of their players, or even deny that anything happened, whilst Citing would be appealed until everyone got fed up with it.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 12/07/2016 12:29:53
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There's stuff happening in every match that could be looked back at and punishments handed down afterwards rather than trying to cop everything on the day. That would be some help but there needs to be some form of video reffing introduced if the big calls are to be put right. We live in hope though rather than expectation.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/07/2016 13:33:15
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Citing doesn't help the wronged team.
Retrospective punishment should still be used as a deterrent so that fewer offences happen in the future.
Officials also need to be as accurate as possible to protect the team on the day.
Video evidence would help with that. So long as it's only used for major incidents I see no reason why it shouldn't be brought in.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/07/2016 20:13:21
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Replying To Whammo86: "Citing doesn't help the wronged team.
Retrospective punishment should still be used as a deterrent so that fewer offences happen in the future.
Officials also need to be as accurate as possible to protect the team on the day.
Video evidence would help with that. So long as it's only used for major incidents I see no reason why it shouldn't be brought in." +1 pure common sense, the whole idea of rules is to make the game as fair as possible so we should use whatever means are at our disposal
lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 13/07/2016 20:38:49
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Tarring and feathering should be introduced.
For a minor offence it can take place in a county town but at the end of the year take the 3 or 4 most publicised people and have an all Ireland T and F in croker.
Either that or accept cheating happens in every sport and cheaters will always find a way to bend the rules. A punishment is rarely a deterring force for certain people and never will be.
DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 13/07/2016 21:32:24
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