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Both Limerick and Wexford had to battle to their respective provincial finals and must now play each other for a place in All Ireland Semi Final yet Galway reach a similar destination by simply playing the Ulster Champions. in all probability Antrim. We will shortly return to the 1950s where Galway were allowed into two Senior All Ireland Hurling Finals by playing only the Glensmen.. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 10/07/2016 21:39:45 1880449 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Both Limerick and Wexford had to battle to their respective provincial finals and must now play each other for a place in All Ireland Semi Final yet Galway reach a similar destination by simply playing the Ulster Champions. in all probability Antrim. We will shortly return to the 1950s where Galway were allowed into two Senior All Ireland Hurling Finals by playing only the Glensmen.." Seriously? Did you really set this thread up? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/07/2016 22:00:23 1880471 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Both Limerick and Wexford had to battle to their respective provincial finals and must now play each other for a place in All Ireland Semi Final yet Galway reach a similar destination by simply playing the Ulster Champions. in all probability Antrim. We will shortly return to the 1950s where Galway were allowed into two Senior All Ireland Hurling Finals by playing only the Glensmen.." could you exaggerate any more there? no team will be going to an AI final of the back of beating Antrim I can assure you. As for Galway they'll have actual tests ahead, so relax. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 10/07/2016 22:05:57 1880480 Link
I presume this refers to minor hurling. As I recall, galway wanted into leinster two years ago at all levels, but the lc said no. Ur can't then try and determine the draw outside leinster, when ye wouldn't let galway in fully .Made your bed....... galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 11/07/2016 09:25:08 1880640 Link
agree.....stupid system! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 11/07/2016 10:30:50 1880709 Link
yep very unfair also unfair they get straight into under 21 semis - gaa should put galway and ulster champions into leinster at under 21 and minor level , they are already there for senior and intermediate -but give them some home matches as well janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 11/07/2016 11:28:09 1880769 Link
Replying To janesboro: "yep very unfair also unfair they get straight into under 21 semis - gaa should put galway and ulster champions into leinster at under 21 and minor level , they are already there for senior and intermediate -but give them some home matches as well" i think after yesterday,the whole provincial system needs to be revisited! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 11/07/2016 11:37:37 1880780 Link
Janesboro, Galway wanted into LEINSTER at all levels two years ago but we're refused. they'd go into Munster if they would have them. Galway want into a province, but others have to meet them half way. Still not a fully accepted leinster county as we can't have home games. IF unfair, it has nothing to do with galway as they've shown a willingness to change. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 11/07/2016 12:09:50 1880830 Link
galwaydublin (Galway) - agree with your post - its the gaa who should make the decision to put them in - and i also believe the GAA should insist that galway get home and away arrangements in leinster hurling janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 11/07/2016 12:44:46 1880872 Link
Replying To galwaydublin: "I presume this refers to minor hurling. As I recall, galway wanted into leinster two years ago at all levels, but the lc said no. Ur can't then try and determine the draw outside leinster, when ye wouldn't let galway in fully .Made your bed......." I am a Munster man. We left Galway in at all levels from 1959 to 1969 inclusive. It was the start of the modern day revival in Galway Hurling. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 11/07/2016 14:09:51 1880953 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "could you exaggerate any more there? no team will be going to an AI final of the back of beating Antrim I can assure you. As for Galway they'll have actual tests ahead, so relax." No, they actually get to an All Ireland Semi Final by beating a side in which the oft time county champs Loughgeale among other clubs do not even seem to make their players available for selection. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 11/07/2016 14:12:34 1880955 Link
Replying To janesboro: "yep very unfair also unfair they get straight into under 21 semis - gaa should put galway and ulster champions into leinster at under 21 and minor level , they are already there for senior and intermediate -but give them some home matches as well" In fairness it was the other 'Leinster' counties that refused Galway permission to play at U21 and Minor levels in Leinster and yes there should be home/away for Galway in the province. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 11/07/2016 14:15:43 1880957 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "I am a Munster man. We left Galway in at all levels from 1959 to 1969 inclusive. It was the start of the modern day revival in Galway Hurling." Galway didn't even win a championship match during that period so your logic is flawed in my estimation. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 11/07/2016 14:59:21 1880993 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "In fairness it was the other 'Leinster' counties that refused Galway permission to play at U21 and Minor levels in Leinster and yes there should be home/away for Galway in the province." It's an awkward one with Galway county board part of Connaught Provincial council but competing in a competition organised by the Leinster council (The move of Galway and others to the Leinster Championship was largely a move orchestrated by the central GAA authorities not the Leinster Council as many of their constituent counties of the Leinster Council did not feel bringing in non Leinster counties was not in their interest). In fairness to the Leinster Council their remit is supposed to be to organise/ promote the GAA in Leinster not any of the other provinces, they are comprised of delegates from the 12 Leinster counties so they will naturally look after these counties first and foremost. Galway have wanted to compete in Leinster championship and for last number of years have done so, this suits Galway but in truth may not be in some other Leinster counties interest who are part of the Leinster championship (I'm thinking of counties like Dublin and Wexford who have seen Galway come in and establishing themselves as probably the second strongest county in Leinster Championship). bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 11/07/2016 15:40:43 1881033 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Both Limerick and Wexford had to battle to their respective provincial finals and must now play each other for a place in All Ireland Semi Final yet Galway reach a similar destination by simply playing the Ulster Champions. in all probability Antrim. We will shortly return to the 1950s where Galway were allowed into two Senior All Ireland Hurling Finals by playing only the Glensmen.." Take it up with Leinster. Galway have been trying to get all their underage teams into Leinster for years. The other Leinster counties (bar Kilkenny) don't want them. Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2215 - 11/07/2016 15:57:01 1881056 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "It's an awkward one with Galway county board part of Connaught Provincial council but competing in a competition organised by the Leinster council (The move of Galway and others to the Leinster Championship was largely a move orchestrated by the central GAA authorities not the Leinster Council as many of their constituent counties of the Leinster Council did not feel bringing in non Leinster counties was not in their interest). In fairness to the Leinster Council their remit is supposed to be to organise/ promote the GAA in Leinster not any of the other provinces, they are comprised of delegates from the 12 Leinster counties so they will naturally look after these counties first and foremost. Galway have wanted to compete in Leinster championship and for last number of years have done so, this suits Galway but in truth may not be in some other Leinster counties interest who are part of the Leinster championship (I'm thinking of counties like Dublin and Wexford who have seen Galway come in and establishing themselves as probably the second strongest county in Leinster Championship)." Perhaps the standard of hurling in Leinster is improving (perhaps not) but in recent years we've seen Offaly, Laois, Wexford, Dublin & Carlow all get to minor &/or U21 provincial finals. Westmeath have shown they can be very competitive too & indeed Kildare are now fielding in the Leinster championship proper at underage. If Galway were there, would we be seeing these developments? Doubtful. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 11/07/2016 16:02:46 1881062 Link
I think there is a very strong argument for scrapping the provincial system at U21 and minor level. There is also a strong argument for scrapping it at senior level, but it would be easier to scrap it at underage first.It doesn't suit hurlings geography, and its probably hurting underage hurling in Ulster and Connacht by persisting with it. It would require some kind of seeding system, but having an open draw would work better for underage. If you wanted to minimize player load, it could be straight knockout. If you wanted to guarantee each team a minimum number of games, you could have a group system. Either way, underage teams from the likes of Derry or Roscommon would start meeting Munster and Leinster teams at underage from the off, and you could also end up with games like Tipp v Kilkenny kicking off the championships. I think its the way to go. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 11/07/2016 16:38:54 1881095 Link
Its the GAA we are talking about here, they have their sponsors to keep happy. Fairness is an illusion. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 11/07/2016 16:53:13 1881108 Link
Replying To Marlon_JD: "I think there is a very strong argument for scrapping the provincial system at U21 and minor level. There is also a strong argument for scrapping it at senior level, but it would be easier to scrap it at underage first.It doesn't suit hurlings geography, and its probably hurting underage hurling in Ulster and Connacht by persisting with it. It would require some kind of seeding system, but having an open draw would work better for underage. If you wanted to minimize player load, it could be straight knockout. If you wanted to guarantee each team a minimum number of games, you could have a group system. Either way, underage teams from the likes of Derry or Roscommon would start meeting Munster and Leinster teams at underage from the off, and you could also end up with games like Tipp v Kilkenny kicking off the championships. I think its the way to go." Hard to know, Marlon. If Derry were drawn to face Wexford away at minor or U21 would they even travel? At the moment a lot of the early rounds are played midweek...is that feasible? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 11/07/2016 17:33:59 1881152 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Galway didn't even win a championship match during that period so your logic is flawed in my estimation." The did in fact win a championship match in Munster, Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 11/07/2016 18:06:52 1881180 Link