Reading Jim Mcguinness version of events with Rory Gallagher
looks like Gallagher got fired because he wasnt a yes man
If Jim wanted complete control why did he hire him in the
first place so whatever Rory said Jim was going to over rule
him

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 30/10/2015 14:24:25    1803141

Rumour has it , Mc Guiness wants George Clooney to play him in a film about his life, he doesnt feel the book goes far enough to portray the deity that he is.
He wants Brolly to be played by Rick Moranis.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/10/2015 14:36:29    1803145

I thought the way mcguinness got riled up about the guy asking for time to make up his mind was very unfair.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/10/2015 14:37:04    1803146

A non story. A non sporting story in any event, even it it is topical. Whatever happened about the line 'keep it inside the camp'. Does this not count, even if he is no longer involved in the county? Disappointing, and unfair on the current manager.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/10/2015 14:40:26    1803149

Jimbo is doing a good job selling his book anyway. Even if it is giving people a look at his less than likable characteristics.
What is wrong with Gallagher wanting time to make up his mind? McGuinness wanted full control, that is fine in my opinion. But give the man time to think if he wants to take reduced role in the set up. If he doesn't want it then recruit somebody else.
McGuinness wanted coaches to run the drills by the sounds of things, not somebody to give an opinion on team selection. Nothing at all wrong with that if that's what he seen as the best course of action but you can't expect to everyone to just jump on board with it without thinking.

Also to come out and say they haven't spoken since shows that McGuinness has no realisation that he was wrong to just expect a yes man. It's so blatantly obvious, actually quite ridiculous and juvenile, that he hasn't picked up the phone to clear things up. I would imagine if the roles were reversed McGuinness would have reacted the exact same way as Gallagher.

He seems like a strange auld fish. Brilliant mind for Gaelic football and how to get the best out of a team but on a personal level he just seems odd. Now don't get me wrong I don't know the man and that is only an opinion from a far. But this sort of behaviour is hardly normal?!

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 30/10/2015 14:58:20    1803154

A bit Simon and Garfunkel, two talented blokes loathe to acknowledge the others influence on their 'brilliance'. Its a shame as McGuinness always came across as a smart fella but sticking the boot in after leaving the camp is what Cassidy has been criticized for and in fairness Cassidy has much more of an axe to grind than McGuinness will.

Tabloid rubbish to flog a book I'm afraid, Christmas must be round the corner.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 30/10/2015 15:40:10    1803177

The rumour at the time within DonegaL was that he wanted Gallagher and the others to take all of the training/coaching during the week and that he would join them at the weekend. They were not prepared to go along with that so there had to be a parting of the ways.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 30/10/2015 15:57:28    1803182

GAAHattrick. Football is a funny aul game and egos clash, particularly in a successful setup where sometimes different people want a slice of the cake as time goes on. From speaking to people in the know throughout McGuinness's reign, it seems that Rory Gallagher executed his defined role brilliantly. From what I gather, as time went on, he and Maxi Curran started having their own line of how things should work in the camp more and more. If mixed messages were to drift beyond the camp and my understanding is that what was indeed happening, then I could see why Jim would let him go. In that context, Jim's behaviour isn't odd at all. I think he sensed the timing was right for Gallagher to go, and Gallagher's attitude to the question of what his role was maybe convinced Jim that it was time to part ways. I also understand that certain high profile individuals outside the setup were in Gallagher's ear increasingly during Gallagher's time as No.2. That would be no major secret. McGuinness made hard calls in his tenure , eg Gallagher, Cassidy, Hanlon etc, but ultimately was a brilliant manager and saw the need for overall unity after decades of fractured Donegal setups. His record as Donegal manager is exemplary. He facilitated true joy for thousands of Donegal people in his time. I would criticise the timing of his book as I think he is unduly pressuring the older players and indeed Gallagher himself. Rory has a big year ahead but the Ulster draw is favourable. People forget that county setups are high pressure enviroments and that taking hard decisions is sometimes a strength. Rory's own number two from last year, Gary McDaid is already gone for next season.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 30/10/2015 16:03:54    1803184

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The rumour at the time within DonegaL was that he wanted Gallagher and the others to take all of the training/coaching during the week and that he would join them at the weekend. They were not prepared to go along with that so there had to be a parting of the ways.



Great rumour. Totally wrong though.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 30/10/2015 18:42:10    1803222

The idea that Gallagher was somehow under the influence of people outside the county is peculiar. I would say it was more like a pure and simple clash of egos, a bit of jealousy or something along those lines, in equal measures with no moral higher ground available to either man. I would also say that the issue is not whether or not this happened, but the fact that it is being aired in the public arena. It is the same crime that Cassidy was sent packing from the team. Dont get me wrong, McGuinness was our best ever manager, but he should share a thought for those who are now at the front line. It would have been a very different story if the newly appointed McGuinness had to put up with stories and allegations of partying from previous county players or management in book launches in november 2010/2011.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/10/2015 19:19:41    1803227

Yes Jim McGuinness was a brilliant manager, but does this all not seem very hypocritical?!
I Don't Understand!
Why is it okay for him to write a book, and not for Kevin Cassidy? (Who only made a contribution).
Why is it okay for him to handle and/or control everything, and also have a management structure around him? Just do the job on your own if you don't want anybody else's opinion or help.
Why is it okay for him to comment on current senior players, when they are still doing a good job representing their, and his, county?
Why is it okay for him to comment on the county board and complain, when they bank rolled his set-up?
Sorry I just don't see how it's one rule for Jim McGuinness and a different rule for the rest!
I was always of the opinion, 'What happens on the pitch or in the dressing room, stays on the pitch or dressing room'.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 30/10/2015 19:33:22    1803231

Spot on David from meath I think it's sad the way he's behaving he was the one that made so much of the tight group no secrets being let out etc ....and now he's spilling left right n centre .... late late tonight now ....

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 616 - 30/10/2015 20:37:16    1803241

McGuinness is probably the kind of guy who has his way of doing things and won't listen to anybody else. He owes nobody in Donegal anything. I would say Rory Gallagher wanted a bit more input into things and Jim being Jim didn't like it. As for the Cassidy thing, who cares. They got the job done without him. There wasn't any team secrets given away but as Rory Kavanagh said on The Last Word today, they agreed that nobody spoke about anybody outside of the group about anything, if they did they wouldn't be part of the group, that's what Kavanagh said this evening, not sure why anyone cares about the Cassidy situation, he broke the rules, he was dumped and they won without him.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 30/10/2015 20:52:47    1803244

Not sure why anybody can't tell the difference between a former manager writing a book and a player breaking squad rules to take part in a book, big difference lads, give it a rest.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 30/10/2015 20:55:03    1803248

Yes I agree, huge difference between a coach writing a book a year after leaving the set up compared to a player secretly colluding with a journalist (unknown to team mates and management) while still a member of the team .. against their expressed wishes.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 30/10/2015 21:39:34    1803259

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Yes Jim McGuinness was a brilliant manager, but does this all not seem very hypocritical?!
I Don't Understand!
Why is it okay for him to write a book, and not for Kevin Cassidy? (Who only made a contribution).

Kevin Cassidy broke an active Omerta, an agreement between every player on the panel while on the panel not to disclose anything.

Why is it okay for him to handle and/or control everything, and also have a management structure around him? Just do the job on your own if you don't want anybody else's opinion or help.

He was the manager, and like most other managers, he has assistant manager and other coaches/Selectors for various roles. But Ultimately he was the boss at that stage, and while he would take Idea's on board from his assistants, utimately the final decision lay with him. Problems arose when his assistant wanted more Input on the final decisions.

Why is it okay for him to comment on current senior players, when they are still doing a good job representing their, and his, county?

I haven't read through his book yet, but would be surprised if any negative comments are included regarding current players. I'm not in favour of him or Rory Kavanagh writing books, I think that is a mistake. But I still hold both in high regard.

Why is it okay for him to comment on the county board and complain, when they bank rolled his set-up?

They didn't bank roll his setup, he had to approach local and some not so local business men to help fund the team. The County Board in Donegal has often been problematic for managers, which is something we see in many other Counties. He is right to have a dig at them, but again maybe not in public.

Sorry I just don't see how it's one rule for Jim McGuinness and a different rule for the rest!
I was always of the opinion, 'What happens on the pitch or in the dressing room, stays on the pitch or dressing room'.

I generally agree about What happens on the pitch or in the dressing room, should stay there. However lets not compare Kevin Cassidy and McGuinness, for there are substancial difference. Cassidy was a current player on the panel when he disclosed Info, and probably gave us a glimpse of what Donegal was like pre-McGuinness.

Jim is a hero in Donegal, although the books by himself and Rory Kavanagh were probably not a great Idea. although that depends in what is disclosed.

Shidoshi (Donegal) - Posts: 85 - 30/10/2015 21:43:22    1803261

Exactly, Rory Kavanagh said the same thing on Today FM this evening.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 30/10/2015 21:59:38    1803265

As others have mentioned, the Cassidy and McGuinness sitautions are very different. Kevin broke the agreed pact while still a playing a member of the county set up. Jim doesn't have any involvement with the current regime so that's a key differecne in my opinion.

Anyone who watched his interview on the Late Late Show last night could only have been moved by the way he so eloquently recounted the tragedies which befell his family when he was very young. He admits both events shaped the driven man he became. Rightly or wrongly he has his own ways, and as senior team manager I believe he was well entitled to reshuffle his pack in whatever way he deemed fit.

It is also my opinion that this attitude is what Donegal football needed, needs and will need into the future. For too long we were lampooned as some sort of party team, albeit blessed with some very gifted footballers (Cassidy included). That iron discipline was what was missing for an awful long time. Jim's legacy will be seen for many years to come in this regard, and we are so much better for it.

I've said it before on many an occasion but as Donegal Gaels I believe we should be forver thankful for what Jim brought to the table and I would wish him only the best in his future career, whatever that may be. But also in his life in general. Just a top, top man.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 31/10/2015 10:50:32    1803283

Donegal have won eight Ulster titles in their history. Jim McGuinness' teams won three of those . Donegal have won two senior All Irelands in their history. Jim McGuinness' teams have one of those. All of that achieved in a five year period. Enough said.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 31/10/2015 11:52:27    1803300

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McGuinness is probably the kind of guy who has his way of doing things and won't listen to anybody else. He owes nobody in Donegal anything. I would say Rory Gallagher wanted a bit more input into things and Jim being Jim didn't like it. As for the Cassidy thing, who cares. They got the job done without him. There wasn't any team secrets given away but as Rory Kavanagh said on The Last Word today, they agreed that nobody spoke about anybody outside of the group about anything, if they did they wouldn't be part of the group, that's what Kavanagh said this evening, not sure why anyone cares about the Cassidy situation, he broke the rules, he was dumped and they won without him.

Spot on Flaker : good on you , somebody finally with sense.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 31/10/2015 12:30:13    1803307