Really getting tired of the constant comments coming from kerry since they lost the final just over 5 weeks ago. We had various ex-players and now Jack O' Connor attributing the loss to a variety of reasons from the 4 week gap between games to the rain, to poor decision making on the line etc. etc. It is obvious that the kingdom are hurting bad as they are now in the situation with Dublin that they were with tyrone in the previous decade. They lost to both counties in three successive championship matches. Prior to the final, the common themes were that Eamon Fitz was a tactical genius, that kerry had an unreal bench, they would nullify cluxton kick outs, they would win the majority of match-ups and that they would be better fit to adapting to circumstances that would arise in the final. Oh yeah not forgetting that they had won two games v cork and tyrone in the rain and would deal better with the bad conditions. Simple fact of the matter Dublin have now proved that they are arguably the best team ever to come out of the capital and quite simply at the moment they have the measure of kerry no matter how the game is played and in whatever weather conditions arise on the day. Things could change quickly and the Kerry might have the measure of the Dubs in the future but at present the Dubs are the No 1 team in the country and have been consistently so for this decade.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 29/10/2015 11:14:56    1802778

Dublin were that little bit better on the day and deserved their win
Jack OConnor is right on his assumption the replay won the AI for Dublin
as it did Kerry last year a dry day would have suited Kerrys style of
football before the final posters were saying how many goals Dublin
would score against this poor Kerry defence all Dublin could score
from play in the 2nd half was 2 points remember Kerry won the 2nd half
5points to 4 Donaghy should have had a penalty and if it wasnt for
some soft frees in the 1st half that kept Dublin in it and Kerry were
poor on the day so what does that say

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 29/10/2015 12:00:55    1802795

Adamski


Ye won. Savour the victory and let it go

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 29/10/2015 12:04:25    1802796

I have to say, having been in Kerry a lot since, plus talking to the kerry cousins, Adamski is bang on.
And it surprises and disappoints me.

I know we shouldnt care, and really, it doesnt matter, but being a gracious winner comes easily to the Kerry lads, being a gracious loser doesnt it would seem.

As far as the VAST majority of Kerry lads i have spoken to are concerned, once again, Dublin are not better than Kerry, Kerry just "didnt turn up" and still have the better players and more natural footballer etc etc etc
They just wont accept the better team won atall.
One fella told me his mate brought a stop watch to croker and timed cluxtons frees and maintains it took him 11 minutes combined to take his frees..........i am not making that up, a fella said this to me with a straight face.

Cos i live in Limerick so long they dont hear the Dublin accent when they talk to me so I get them off guard!!

Still, we have them in a vice like grip these days and I for one, LOVE IT!

Sorry to all the decent Kerry lads here, I am only recounting from personal experience.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/10/2015 12:10:29    1802797

2011 hit Kerry bad, they still haven't really got over that and the two subsequent loses to us have just rubbed salt in their wounds, but as the Mayo lad says, enjoy it and look forward.

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 29/10/2015 12:18:43    1802801

The great thing is all the veterans are staying on for another season for Kerry thinking we have to get revenge but your legs won't get any quicker than they did this year only slower and these veterans will be holding out these great Kerry minor players like Spillane which is great for the rest of us. Advice to Donaghy O Mahoney O Se Gooch Galvin Sheehan etc walk away now you've been great players but your day has gone let the young lads through now for the good of Kerry football.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/10/2015 12:20:54    1802802

wfkerry

As with nearly all Kerry posts re the final, you again throw in the "Kerry poor on the day" comment, just not sure if this stands up to any scrutiny. Over the last number of seasons there has been very little evidence of consistent solid performances from the Kerry senior footballers in championship (or league for that matter), they have being producing a mixed bag of poor, average and good performances. The level Kerry played at in the final I believe is a fair reflection of where this squad of players is at present. It certainly wasn't a case of a team which produces top class football consistently, inexplicably having an off day.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 673 - 29/10/2015 12:30:46    1802809

Guys what land are ye on?
Kerry people have accepted this defeat hands down.
we lost to the better team.

Liam just having some pub chat with a few lads in the county doesnt mean Kerry are ungracious!!!

What did JO'C say there wasnt true.
Kerry would have prefered a dryer day, the wet weather suited Dublin more as they were much more physical in their approach to the game. the amount of turnovers they had was unreal. Dublin were the better team.

we played so bad yet coming into the last few mins there was still only a kick of a ball in it and funnily enough we possibly could have sneaked it.
if there is any complaining it was towards Eamon Fitz

We won a poor final in 2014 and we lost a poor final in 2015..that is the way it goes and bring on 2016

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 29/10/2015 12:59:37    1802817

The rain was definitely a factor in the game, and it did suit Dublin more than Kerry, that was obvious from the play. Kerry guys kept dropping it and losing it in contact. This Kerry team drew with Mayo the same way Dublin did, they also gave Dublin serious issues the year before. I mean the dubs hardly think they are just that much better than Kerry do they? So you ignore all previous games and just go off this one, and then call them sore losers when they don't sing off the same hymn sheet. Some of you lads don't half get carried away with yourselves. What I wouldn't have given for a torrential downpour when donaghy came on against us.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/10/2015 13:01:34    1802818

Dublin have beaten Kerry 5 times on the trot in Croke Park

In the cold, in the rain and wind, on a warm sunny day, being down to 14 men,being in front, and finding ourselves trailing behind

Dublin have won - 5 on the trot

Dublin are 6 National titles to 1 for Kerry (A difference of 5)

Dublin are better than Kerry at the minute - the haul of silverware across this decade, and direct match ups prove this

History has proven that this wont last, but for now - it's the absolute truth

And there's no blaming "puke football" this time for the Kerry faithful

They just aren't good enough

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 29/10/2015 13:02:40    1802819

Liamwalkinstown
As far as the VAST majority of Kerry lads i have spoken to are concerned, once again, Dublin are not better than Kerry, Kerry just "didnt turn up" and still have the better players and more natural footballer etc etc etc

Sounds a lot like what you were saying after last year's semi final...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/10/2015 13:02:41    1802820

What's new - great success, but can nver take a beating

1. 1982 - the goal , AH!!! it was a push!!!!!
2. 1960's Down - mick o dwyer will always say they were over rated and that they should have beaten Down
3. Tyrone in 2005 - how many objections did Kerry put in after the game
4. Dromid Pearses - probably the worst exampleof unsporting behaviour.... and Dromid went into over-drive with rte!!!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1671 - 29/10/2015 13:09:46    1802822

There are many reasons for winning/losing a match .. tactics, talent, luck, weather, decisions etc.
A losing team will always try and find reasons for losing .. unfortunately this may lead to a coach/ref or player(s) being scapegoated. A good coach will try and correct mistakes and reverse the outcome next time. Many explanations were forwarded for Dublins shock defeat in the 2014 semi final (Dublin`s defensive tactics/Donegal`s plan and self belief). Some claim that learning from the reasons for losing in 2014 helped Dublin win in 2015.

Been thinking about the similarities between the 2014 and 2015 All Ireland finals.
The losing teams didnt start with their best 15, never got their game going and yet could have snatched a draw with a late goal.
0-12 was the winning score in 2015 and the losing score in 2014
Kerry scored nine points in both finals but got over the line in 2014 assisted by a soft goal followed by a gift wrapped one .. all reasons for winning/losing

Dublin are a very good team and will win more titles in this decade .. their main worry would be a loss of hunger or losing key players through injury/suspension .. other challengers will take heart from them not performing their best on AI final day with them winning three finals with a winning aggregate score of 5 points.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 503 - 29/10/2015 13:16:35    1802825

Rubbish, if it had of been a dry day Dublin would have romped home, those balls would have stuck to BB and goodnight!!!!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 29/10/2015 13:28:47    1802831

I have no doubt that the extra game against Mayo helped us

Sure I said as much.. as did many other Dub posters

Only to listen to many Kerry fans saying

"Well we had a tough game against Tyrone too you know"

The way Dublin dispatched of Mayo so easily in the end

The longer that game went on the larger the winning margin

Gave Dublin great momentum going into the final

So I agree with Jack - the way we rolled over Mayo, it was a massive ego massage for the Dub players

As for the wet - I don't buy it for one second

Don't forget -

Kerry had a wet semi-final against a hard tackling Tyrone outfit to prepare for the conditions on AI Final day

Surely the best prep possible for the conditions seen on AI Final day 4 weeks later - almost identical conditions

Dublin hammered Mayo on one of the warmest days in September - a very warm bright day, ideal for football - the exact opposite to 4 weeks later

So Kerry had the ideal pre for wet conditions - and they carried the underdog tag going into the final

So yes - I agree

Our performance against Mayo was a great momentum builder but the wet conditions thing... doesn't stack up at all

It was raining on both sets of players and Kerry had every advantage to adapt better to such conditions

They were just beaten by the better team - not on the day

Just the plain old and simple... better team.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 29/10/2015 13:33:44    1802834

KerryKillers
County: Dublin
Posts: 25

1802831 Rubbish, if it had of been a dry day Dublin would have romped home, those balls would have stuck to BB and goodnight!!!!

_____

True

He was consistently out in front

But who cares... we won well in the wet

We've won the last 3 in all sorts of conditions - wet, windy and blisteringly sunny

Mark of a great team and that's exactly what this Dublin team is :)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 29/10/2015 13:37:55    1802836

not bothered in the slightest with anything said , they are entitled to their opinion on their loss , if hard luck etc etc was how they see it well good luck to them , its not an opinion I share ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/10/2015 13:39:50    1802837

Yeah this is Kerry getting thier excuses in early so they can "rebuild" for the new year [url=]http://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=246156
1) Some of the perceived wisdom before the final was that Kerry played in the lashing rain v Cork and it should stand to them
2) If Dublin lost the claim would be that the turnaround was too quick for Dublin and the playing in the rain "stood to kerry"!

Kerry making excuses how the mighty of fallen! I hope O'Connor's back-to-back minors make Kerry more compettitive because if there is continual excuses like this from the Kerry camp I will get a stitch from laughing... :D

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 29/10/2015 13:47:59    1802841

I knew when I read that this morning you lads would be out in force crying about it.
Get over yourselves. Mayo showed that you there for the taking.
If ye didn't have the replay against Mayo and a dry ball I'd definitely have fancied Kerry to sneak it. So would a lot of people.
Kerry got a similar rub of the green with the replay last year and that definitely gave us an edge that 4 weeks training doesn't.
You were going on last year after Kerry's win that we got lucky cos Donegal beat ye.
Just because Dublin are the better team doesn't mean they are unbeatable.


As for bringing croke park national league wins in February into your roll of honour against Kerry...ffs

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 29/10/2015 13:49:04    1802845

Again the majority of the postings from kerry supporters are blaming everything particularly the weather for the defeat. So it re-affirms my opinion that kerry are not good losers. To be honest that probably comes from the fact that they are traditionally the strongest footballing county in the country. But let's be honest if you analysis the game fairly Dublin had at least 3 or 4 goal chances to kerry's one half chance that fell to killian young. Their much lauded forward line was well contained, their so called excellent midfield pairing struggled and eamon fitzmaurice like most managers has not got a magic wand. Then we hear if donaghy had played it would have been different not forgetting that he was deemed not to be playing well up to the final. In 2013 in an open game you were beaten, in 2015 on a wet day you were beaten and in 2011 in that unforgettable final ye were pipped to the post by a team that apparently would choke in a tight situation but which actually done the opposite and finished the strongest in the end.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 29/10/2015 13:51:59    1802849