I saw a post on another fourm about "superclubs" which interested me. How many and what clubs out there could and would beat average/decent county teams.

One I can think of (and i do admit I dont know much about these squads) are:

Nemo Rangers
Crossmaglen Rangers (maybe not as good anymore)
St. Vincent's
Corofin
Ballinderry Shamrocks
St. Brigid's
St. Gall's


Strange deabate I suppose. While looking some bits up the other day I also noticed only 1 donegal club has one ulster.....and only once at that

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 10:26:42    1745818

Donegal club football is not as passionate as the club scene in other counties in Ulster and thats why there is so few clubs doing well in Ulster. Clubs winning a senior title are generally happy enough. If a club was winning senior titles every year like Cross then you could see them wanting to push on a bit in Ulster as part of a natural progression.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 01/07/2015 10:32:37    1745820

Every day is a school day. Seems the opposite with us

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 10:43:15    1745830

Superclubs
01/07/2015 10:26:42 DoireCityFC
I saw a post on another fourm about "superclubs" which interested me. How many and what clubs out there could and would beat average/decent county teams.
One I can think of (and i do admit I dont know much about these squads) are:
Nemo Rangers, Crossmaglen Rangers (maybe not as good anymore), St. Vincent's, Corofin, Ballinderry Shamrocks, St. Brigid's, St. Gall's
Strange deabate I suppose. While looking some bits up the other day I also noticed only 1 donegal club has one ulster.....and only once at that Which of those clubs would beat a county team and who would they beat?
What exactly is an average/decent county team? What is the barometer that determines a county team is "average/decent"
01/07/2015 10:32:37 Tir Conaill Abu
Donegal club football is not as passionate as the club scene in other counties in Ulster and thats why there is so few clubs doing well in Ulster. Clubs winning a senior title are generally happy enough. If a club was winning senior titles every year like Cross then you could see them wanting to push on a bit in Ulster as part of a natural progression. How is Donegal club football "not as passionate" as club football elsewhere in Ulster? There is clubs like that(happy with county title) all over but that doesn't mean anything in relation to their provincial campaign

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/07/2015 11:03:49    1745839

I don't know if you would count Nemo in that. When was the last time they won Cork never mind Munster? Dr Crokes I think could be included on that list. Although they haven't won an All Ireland they always seem to be there or there abouts.
I would include Cross on the list and a lot of the Dublin clubs. Sure aren't half of them intercounty teams?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/07/2015 11:05:10    1745842

Which of those clubs would beat a county team and who would they beat?
What exactly is an average/decent county team? What is the barometer that determines a county team is "average/decent"

Id say Corofin or Slaughtneil would beat Carlow, Waterford, NY, London, and maybe the likes of antrim or fermanagh.

May not have as many players but lads on these clubs have been playing, living and working together from no age and know where each man is and what he can do on the pitch plus they have a winning mental approach that some counties SEEM to lack.

I say if Slaughtneil played Derry tomorrow they would win and Id fancy St.Gall to beat Antrim and Cross to beat Armagh. Of course they might not be favourites but it would be very tight......in my opinion

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 11:25:36    1745853

ormondbannerman P.S this is NOT a dig at any county team, rather a debate about the huge quality of some club teams. Just clearing that up incase anyone gets the wrong impression :)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 11:26:48    1745854

They won Munster in 2010 gotmilk 6th title in 10 years on top of 8 cork title in 10 years. Must still be a bit of pedigree about them. As i was saying I dont know these squads fully and they where just examples at the top of my head of famous good clubs.

On a side note is Tomás Ó Sé playing for them now?????

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 11:29:49    1745855

Perhaps someone could define 'superclub' before this goes any further. I'd define it on size which isn't necessarily correlated to success. I wouldn't consider St Vincent's as a super club or Ballymun for that matter. Hugely successful and steeped in tradition and hugely involved in Dublin senior teams are Vins but the only so called super club in Dublin in my view would be Kilmacud Crokes. And perhaps the primary contributing factor to it is geography.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 01/07/2015 11:50:37    1745870

I have laugh at the fact that we're not as good as we once were according to the OP!!! Maybe he meant to put that beside Nemo! If you are looking at current 'superclubs' then obviously you have ourselves, St Vincents, St Brigids Roscommon and Dr Crokes. These 4 teams have been the most consistent over the last 10-12 years in terms of county and provincial championships and between three of them have won 6 of the last 10 AI clubs. The likes pf St Galls have done well county wise as have Nemo but having really pushed on with only 1 Provincial win for Nemo and 2 for St Galls and St Galls won the AI once. The Dublin teams like Kilmacud will generally always produce a good team and will potentially challenge and the Mayo and Derry Champions are always strong but they are not consistent enough to be pushed up to the 'superclub' level.

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 01/07/2015 11:53:08    1745873

sorry about the confusion. Superclubs may have been a bad term. More about clubs who could beat a county team.

I.E Slaughtneil in my opinion could beat the odd county team and has a very very small population base

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 11:55:07    1745877

Sorry RangerDanger I wasnt trying to offend. Only reason I said that is because you havent appeared in a final since 2012. I aknowledge they are still a great team just not AS good of late. Im no expert in the Armagh club sene but they never seem to have much competition. Since 95 or 96 has anyone really challenged them? 10 out of Armaghs 14 ulsters are from 1 club. Derry have 13 and 7 different winners. In the last 20 years we have had 5 different winners. I think this is very healthy :)

Do you think the cross team would give the armagh seniors a good run for their money?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 12:03:50    1745888

Right thats a totally different question. I figured you were asking about playing numbers, facilities and revenue. If you were then Ballyboden would be up there and Parnells. Nemo Rangers is a relatively small club but with good pedigree and facilities. Na Piarsaigh in Limerick are on the way to being one if they get to build a new Clubhouse and bar. Theyve a catchment area of about 25000 but rugby is strong in their area. Not sure of many others.. Kilmacud is one too I guess, maybe De la Salle has the potential in Waterford.

BanTarleton (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 01/07/2015 12:05:12    1745889

If you take away super clubs and put in - what club teams would compete for promotion in division 4 in the NFL I would say, on the last couple of years form, the following from my own county:
St. Vincents
Ballymun
Plunketts

Then maybe coming up this year:
Crokes
Boden

In a couple of years:
Na Fianna

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 01/07/2015 12:24:26    1745912

I would love a typr of Supercup between the AI winner and club AI winner

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 12:30:21    1745920

Going off topic a bit here. A good club team would compete with a Div 3 team. St Vincents v Portlaoise leinster final 2013 was as good as any Div 3 match that same year.. quote Eugene Magee.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 01/07/2015 12:49:04    1745940

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Right thats a totally different question. I figured you were asking about playing numbers, facilities and revenue. If you were then Ballyboden would be up there and Parnells. Nemo Rangers is a relatively small club but with good pedigree and facilities. Na Piarsaigh in Limerick are on the way to being one if they get to build a new Clubhouse and bar. Theyve a catchment area of about 25000 but rugby is strong in their area. Not sure of many others.. Kilmacud is one too I guess, maybe De la Salle has the potential in Waterford.


parnells a superclub haha no way
they got money in last decade but they dont pull in the numbers like kilmacud crokes
crokes are the definition of a superclub
they geographically have a huge catchment area with only olafs near so they take in huge playing numbers
thats what a superclub is
not a successfull on the pitch club
a lot of people tend to think ballymun for some reason are a superclub from outside dublin
ballymun are from that along with vincents
they produce good teams all the time but wouldnt be anywhere near crokes playing numbers
as they have clubs located close to them where as crokes only have olafs near and
the reality is olafs are struggling for players where as crokes nursery would be overcrowded every saturday morning.
onto the subject of a club team competing with inter county its impossible to judge
as anybody thats ever played both levels will tell you there is a world of difference in the pace of the game
a club team would be used to doing things at a certain pace and that extra two or three seconds wouldnt be afforded at inter county
so they would struggle for a couple of years to get to that level

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/07/2015 12:54:24    1745946

Id say Corofin or Slaughtneil would beat Carlow, Waterford, NY, London, and maybe the likes of antrim or fermanagh.

You do realise Fermanagh are a divison 2 side Doire. Same as yourselves

I'm not sure if Tomas O'Se is with Nemo but he is playing in Cork.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/07/2015 13:17:10    1745964

Oh i know Fermanagh are......and i did say i think Slaughtneil could beat derry

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/07/2015 13:20:01    1745969

Lads the notion that a top club team would beat a county team are fanciful to say the least. I know we have played county teams over the years but it would be rare that we would have played full teams and beaten them. If a club team had the training facilities, S & C budgets etc then I reckon the top 3-4 teams would beat anything in Div 4 and a good few of Div 3 but after that the level increases dramatically. As it stands, given the level of training going into most county teams, then it is highly unlikely that the club teams would compete. Maybe in a one off game but certainly not consistently.

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 01/07/2015 13:35:41    1745988