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Sports like cricket,rugby and snooker have introduced spin off versions of their game in recent times (20-20 cricket for example, and tag rugby). Would it be worth trying this in gaelic football?
A spin off version, where teams play 13 a side, cannot hand pass twice in a row,teams must take a shot within 24 seconds of gaining possession etc. .leagues could be introduced among teams like in tag rugby. Could be a great addition to the game and boost participation.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 04/03/2015 19:46:35    1699282

04/03/2015 19:46:35
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Sports like cricket,rugby and snooker have introduced spin off versions of their game in recent times (20-20 cricket for example, and tag rugby). Would it be worth trying this in gaelic football?
A spin off version, where teams play 13 a side, cannot hand pass twice in a row,teams must take a shot within 24 seconds of gaining possession etc. .leagues could be introduced among teams like in tag rugby. Could be a great addition to the game and boost participation Wouldn't call 20-20 a spin off in the same way tag rugby is. Tag rugby is completely social and is played on a very different sized pitch. There is mixed or same sex teams
As a social game would 13 not be too much to have on a team?
Would you be playing full pitch in this social gaelic etc or like in tag rugby be playing a much smaller pitch

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2015 19:59:35    1699286

20-20 cricket was introduced to have a more TV friendly game that's better suited for the modern age. Tag Rugby exists as a way for older/weaker/smaller players to still enjoy rugby without having to deal with the huge physicality involved.

What would the driving force be for this new Gaelic game?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 04/03/2015 20:10:34    1699290

Maybe 13 a side is a bit much. How about 6 or 7 a side on say a soccer sized pitch. Havent really put much thought into it but its something that I think could be looked at.
Clubs could organize it between themselves.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 04/03/2015 20:15:33    1699292

castlebravo, the new rules would hopefully create a more open and skill orientated version of the game.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 04/03/2015 20:19:35    1699293

04/03/2015 20:10:34
CastleBravo
20-20 cricket was introduced to have a more TV friendly game that's better suited for the modern age. Tag Rugby exists as a way for older/weaker/smaller players to still enjoy rugby without having to deal with the huge physicality involved.

What would the driving force be for this new Gaelic game? That isn't the reason tag rugby exists. Tag is a way for teaching about space, skills in a less technical orientated game. Tag is a closer simulation of the full contact codes of rugby than touch as it gets players to get into correct position for making a tackle etc
04/03/2015 20:15:33 joncarter
Maybe 13 a side is a bit much. How about 6 or 7 a side on say a soccer sized pitch. Havent really put much thought into it but its something that I think could be looked at.
Clubs could organize it between themselves. Why have this between clubs? Why not a more social environment not strictly on clubs/parish and people across parishes/clubs could play with one another depending on some regulations to make thinga fair

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2015 20:47:42    1699296

I feel if it is to successfully get of the ground it would help if clubs got together and talked to their members. They already have pitches, club officers etc. to help with organisation.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 04/03/2015 21:17:40    1699305

we already have 7 sevens football joncarter and those in smaller divisions dont play 15 a side

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/03/2015 21:26:47    1699309

Current Gaelic sevens requires a lot of fitness.

Any alternative "social" version needs to be playable on astroturf and less physical than normal football.

How about 7 a side. Max 2 handpasses, no more than two solos, no shoulders, no two man tackles, goals only.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1106 - 05/03/2015 08:25:46    1699322

The sevens are a bit too much about running. Pick seven very fit lads who can carry the ball and you wont be far away. Id say 9 a side on a bigger pitch would be an interesting game. 3 forwards, 2 midfielders and 3 backs. It would be good for developing game relevant skills like kick-passing and marking/finding space. Make the pitch slightly too large for guys to be soloing up and down. The goal is to make a game of mini-gaelic football. Sevens is a very different game to gaelic football.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 05/03/2015 09:52:06    1699338

How about just playing gaelic football or if you dont like that most clubs give you the choice of hurling

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 05/03/2015 10:03:13    1699341

This looks good
http://www.pella.ie/

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 05/03/2015 10:34:43    1699358

Does anyone remember that Guiness hurling cubed thing that they did a while back? Played with short sticks in a perspex arena.
This is a perfect example of what your looking for Joncarter

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 05/03/2015 10:39:14    1699362

Sorry, just realised you meant football only

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 05/03/2015 10:41:43    1699364

I think Rugby Sevens is an example more suited to your argument than tag rugby - it's rugby's version of T20 cricket.

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 05/03/2015 11:10:21    1699372

We already have a spinoff game of football it's called the ulster championship!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 05/03/2015 15:45:06    1699500

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This looks good
http://www.pella.ie/

My club is just finishing a winter league playing this format. While it looks good on the demo video, with young fellas flying up and down the hall with narry a tackle going in, put ten grizzly auld fellas in a confined space together and it's a recipe for killings. I can't imagine how the hurling version will end up!

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/03/2015 10:23:50    1699710

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The sevens are a bit too much about running. Pick seven very fit lads who can carry the ball and you wont be far away. Id say 9 a side on a bigger pitch would be an interesting game. 3 forwards, 2 midfielders and 3 backs. It would be good for developing game relevant skills like kick-passing and marking/finding space. Make the pitch slightly too large for guys to be soloing up and down. The goal is to make a game of mini-gaelic football. Sevens is a very different game to gaelic football.

European football uses a pretty similar format- 11-a-side (9 for the ladies) on a soccer or rugby pitch. Man to man marking becomes very important, as turnovers or overlaps lead to goals much quicker than in full-sided football. The Middle East region also has something similar, a 9-a-side game with regular rules, except that kickouts can be run out from the goal (rather than setting up for each kickout). This makes it a format much more suited to athletic teams rather than physically powerful outfits.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/03/2015 12:09:02    1699756

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04/03/2015 20:10:34
CastleBravo
20-20 cricket was introduced to have a more TV friendly game that's better suited for the modern age. Tag Rugby exists as a way for older/weaker/smaller players to still enjoy rugby without having to deal with the huge physicality involved.

What would the driving force be for this new Gaelic game? That isn't the reason tag rugby exists. Tag is a way for teaching about space, skills in a less technical orientated game. Tag is a closer simulation of the full contact codes of rugby than touch as it gets players to get into correct position for making a tackle etc
04/03/2015 20:15:33 joncarter
Maybe 13 a side is a bit much. How about 6 or 7 a side on say a soccer sized pitch. Havent really put much thought into it but its something that I think could be looked at.
Clubs could organize it between themselves. Why have this between clubs? Why not a more social environment not strictly on clubs/parish and people across parishes/clubs could play with one another depending on some regulations to make thinga fair

Regarding your last point, something similar usually takes place in overseas GAA, with teams travelling to one club's city every month or so, whereupon they play football for the day in a series of small sided games in a league format, then have a social evening with meals, drinks, player of the tournament awards etc. It's usually good craic, and a good way to attract casual players. I'm not sure how transferable it would be to Ireland given the level of rivalry typically involved between GAA teams, but maybe it could work for retired players representing clubs/ schools/ third level sides. An old boys' league.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/03/2015 13:01:02    1699785

There was a Red Bull Cul5 i think it was called on in St Brigids Gaa in Blanchardstown over the Winter months. Played in it a couple of times. Think there is a corporate league as well. Only 1 hop & 1 Solo and then had to pass. Think it was 3 handpasses and then kick pass as well and goals only. Played on half the width of a Gaa pitch. Great game. Really Fast and tough on the body. heres the link

http://www.redbull.com/ie/en/events/1331686317392/red-bull-cul-5

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 06/03/2015 14:51:50    1699841