Anybody else think Paraic Duffy's comments regarding the Brooks concert were a load of waffle it's as simple as they booked too many night with little or no consultation get over it.

As for changing the kick out rule it is fine if a team can't defend against quick kicks outs why should we protect them in rule form? Sure why not legislate against scoring from too far out then as some teams are poor at that too? Yes I would like to see more high fielding of the ball but this is not the way to go about it.

hurler in the ditch (Louth) - Posts: 439 - 28/01/2015 11:19:25    1687300

I fully agree with your comments. The only modification that I would make to the rule is to award a mark to players catching the ball cleanly from a long kick out (let's say, for example, for kickouts going beyond the 40m line) in order to reward high fielding and to discourage swarming of midfielders as soon as they touch the ground.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 28/01/2015 12:24:01    1687322

This proposal was debated here some time back, I think. I don't understand the logic of Paraic Duffy's comments: his assertions do not seem to be back up by fact in any way. In my view the suggestion has serious flaws, and removes a legitimate tactic (the short kick out) from the game.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 28/01/2015 13:17:49    1687353

If the idea behind it is that the short kick out results in teams handpassing the ball up the field and holding on to possession, why not limit the number of handpasses to, say, 5 in a row? then the player must kick it? something similar was used for the international rules? worth a trial?

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 28/01/2015 13:29:53    1687363

Pauric Duffy obviously doesn't attend many Junior B matches in windy conditions where a keeper would be doing well to get past the 45.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 28/01/2015 13:52:20    1687372

My first thought was if a defender can not get the ball from the goalie then theres no need for a forward to mark him ? hence we will have all players retreating into midfield were they may or may not win a kick out , wouldn't imagine in this scenario not a lot of clean ball won I would think .
At least his comments have put it out there but no I wouldn't be in favour ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/01/2015 13:53:30    1687374

a good article rebuking some other stances he has taken

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/ucd-report-puts-a-cloud-over-sky-deal-309350.html#.VMizMtp6N-U.twitter

hurler in the ditch (Louth) - Posts: 439 - 28/01/2015 14:11:19    1687382

damothedub is spot on
if the ball has to reach the 45 then all the forwards will drop back out to crowd out the middle of the field
which would actually make high fielding extinct altogether.
anyway i dont see a problem with short kickouts
nobody said in the rules that you must lump a ball 50 yards from a kick out and let two people contest it
itjust took a long time for people to get savy and actually use the kickout as a way of starting an attack
some of these boyos seem to want the game to go back to a catch and kick style
what next ban anybody under 6 foot tall being allowed line out in midfield
I for one am glad the hoofing the ball days are over
and only wish we would see it in hurling too
always baffles me why down the country when a full back comes out with the sliotar
and those the usual "drive it" 60 or 70 yards up the field without looking the crowd give an unmerciful roar of approval
yet nine times out of ten it goes straight to the opposition team in acres of space
to look up and stick it over the bar or find a man in space

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/01/2015 14:52:05    1687399

Maybe ensuring the kickout has to travel 45 won't work. Maybe it will. Something definintly needs to be done to encourage long kickouts and high fielding. The mark got shot down along with a few other rules a few years back.

I would suggest any or a combination of the following:
1. Limit the no of players inside the 45m line to six from each team - defensive teams would have their kickouts delayed as tried to get back out the field and the attacking team would be penalised if they kept to many men forward (kick out moved out 30m)
2. Limit the consecutive handpasses to three would force defenders to kick the ball, a limit of five would be too many.
3. Award a mark for a kick out caught between the 45's.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1108 - 28/01/2015 15:14:20    1687406

I really dont see the need to change the rules on a kickout. Its funny how every year we want a new rule change. Its fine the way it is. A long kick out would mean the attacking team would just place all their defenders around the 45m line. While the short kickout is annoying when a team uses it alot. I dont think it needs to be gotten rid off.

deadybai (Kilkenny) - Posts: 63 - 28/01/2015 16:33:31    1687448

No need for a change. Teams that innovate and evolve within the rules are then slapped with another rule when the powers that be live in some nostalgic dreamland of catch and kick football of the 70's. I defy anyone who after watching a inter county gaa match from the 70's says that it was anything other than pure muck compared to the game we have today.

I personally enjoy watching how teams tactically try to counteract short kick outs v long kick outs.

Secondly referees have enough to worry about that working out if a ball has landed before or after 45. Will we need hawkeye for this??? Let's try to make the game simpler for refs, not more complicated.

Why doesn't Croke Park do something productive and intelligent like DEFINE THE TACKLE???

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 28/01/2015 17:03:55    1687460

I fear for the future of Gaelic Football with people proposing massive changes to the rules. Something I'm also getting worried about is people constantly talking about bringing in the Aussie Rules Mark in from kick outs. Seriously people get a grip. The sport was made the way it was and ridiculous changes should not be brought in just because teams are starting to become more intelligent with the use of possession. Another ridiculous idea i heard was a rule where you can only hand pass the ball 6 times in a row and then you must kick pass it. Does people ever just picture how frustrating that would be to watch. The bottom line is the game is not broken so don't try to fix it. The Kick out has become an integral part of the game now so leave it the way it is.

PoppinPoints (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 28/01/2015 18:06:49    1687492

Supermon as far as Im concerned the game today is pure muck. Glad that Duffy is forward enough thinking to see why gaelic football has become unentertaining for a large swathe of people who grew up immersed in the gaa. His solution may be unworkable but it is laudable that he has at least put forward a proposal that seeks to deal with some of the ills of the game such as the emphasis on fitness to the detriment of skill and possession which has taken the "foot" out of "football". It would be more accurate to call the game "gaelic handball" or "gaelic basketball" cos there's very little football in it anymore.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 28/01/2015 20:50:52    1687547

Why Oh why is this even been considered, a short kick out is a part of the game no matter what type of game a team plays. Makes no sense and is unworkable.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 28/01/2015 20:53:02    1687548

correction: the emphasis on fitness and possessiin to the detriment of skill, is what I meant to say above.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 28/01/2015 21:25:43    1687561

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Supermon as far as Im concerned the game today is pure muck. Glad that Duffy is forward enough thinking to see why gaelic football has become unentertaining for a large swathe of people who grew up immersed in the gaa. His solution may be unworkable but it is laudable that he has at least put forward a proposal that seeks to deal with some of the ills of the game such as the emphasis on fitness to the detriment of skill and possession which has taken the "foot" out of "football". It would be more accurate to call the game "gaelic handball" or "gaelic basketball" cos there's very little football in it anymore.


I disagree, I think we have a absolutely fantastic game these days. yes some games are bad, some games are excellent. I can think of a few matches over the last ten years that could arguably be the greatest games ever played. Kicking and catching is still a necessary skill in football. This nostalgia of hoofing a ball down the field is pure rubbish, it was always wastefully giving away possesion. Look at other sports, with fitness and conditioning, a possession game becomes more prevalent. There was a time in the GAA when there was no such thing as a solo run up the field. Things thankfully evolved. I love the game we have now. If it was that bad, people would stop going. 8000 attending a McKenna cup match in Omagh says it all for me.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 29/01/2015 11:18:22    1687645

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correction: the emphasis on fitness and possessiin to the detriment of skill, is what I meant to say above.

where you favour an emphasis on being over 6 foot tall and physical to the detriment of talented atheltic agile players

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/01/2015 12:11:05    1687672

Modern "football" is a running game where the ball is handpassed from a teams 21 yard line to the opposition 45 and then someone might kick it. If you don't believe it, watch any game from the last few years and count the handpasses in every attacking move.

Irelands best "footballers" were shown up badly in the international rules as not being able to kick a ball accurately or catch their own long kick outs.

This has been getting worse every year since 2001.

The short kickout adds to the number of handpasses but its the unlimited handpassing that is reducing the instances we see the real skills of the game (catching and kicking, long range point scoring, players taking on their man).

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1108 - 29/01/2015 17:02:03    1687786

Listen I'm not arguing about how you define the game. My point is the game we have today is infinitely better than anything that has gone before. I enjoy the hand passing tactical play. It's a tougher game that calls for speed strength and agility. The old way was terrible. Awful to look at, it has become a much better game

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 29/01/2015 17:17:37    1687794

tirawleybaron


"irelands best footballers" how could that selection be classed as irelands best when
it was all but a representitive team from one player per county.
players can kick longe range points way better now than anytime in the 70 or 80tys
your talking some waffle

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/01/2015 18:13:11    1687830