Any thoughts on the GAA's decision to delete the propoasl of having a clock/hooter to keep track of game time? Very shady indeed that this wouldnt at least be given a trial period given its success in the womens game. I guess clarity is fine so long as Croke Park isnt a full house with a replay in sight...

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 22/01/2015 13:27:35    1685454

This is a mad decision: the countdown clock works perfectly well in ladies football, with limited resources. It reduces timewasting, and provides clarity for players and supporters. I can't fathom the resistance to it, except a desire to manufacture replays.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 22/01/2015 14:27:46    1685493

Can't believe they won't give it a trail after last years semi final.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/01/2015 14:35:45    1685496

Can't believe the censorship around trying to figure out an incident in a match when it is reported in all the national papers.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 22/01/2015 14:39:37    1685499

Time wasting is a big problem and very frustrating as a supporter. It seems that no matter what happens in the game there will only be 2 or 3 mins added. The team ahead sees this, draw fouls, stay down injured, take a min or so to take the free. very frustrating. also reduces the chance of a team coming back in stoppage time which is great watching for neutrals (and the all important sky sports UK market).

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 22/01/2015 15:06:28    1685510

hear hear offside

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 22/01/2015 15:11:25    1685512

There really is not conspiracy on this one. I think its a good old fashioned unwillingness to do the work to make the thing work! if you read the attached you will begin to understand what would really need to be in place for this to happen. Saying that it works well in the LGFA is not really true as how much critical analysis do the LGFA games go through - none!

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2503140916-clockhooter-review-/

While I don't agree with their decision and they should have done their homework so to make it work there is perhaps another year of bedding in for the black card before any new changes should be made and thats not just for referees but also players and the public.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 22/01/2015 15:12:28    1685513

A lot more pressing issues in the gaa at present than a hooter I for one thing the gaa needs to review its suspensions system for certain offences as a matter of urgency instead of a hooter.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 22/01/2015 15:30:34    1685521

A serious amount of time wasting goes in Ladies Football because of the clock in fairness.

It isn't all great.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 22/01/2015 15:31:38    1685522

A lot more pressing issues in the gaa at present than a hooter I for one thing the gaa needs to review its suspensions system for certain offences as a matter of urgency instead of a hooter.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 22/01/2015 15:37:07    1685528

We should have less hooters and more money for public schools

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 22/01/2015 16:01:15    1685544

no need for hotters and systems
just let the guy on the sideline who puts the subs board up look after time keeping

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/01/2015 16:23:12    1685557

Yes offside Rule it is mystifying and wrong in my opinion. People have a duty to report such instances to the readers on here, Its a very serious issue which has been fudged by the gaa and certain media outlets

Newguy22 (Louth) - Posts: 8 - 23/01/2015 12:07:56    1685773

Zinny

I was at the Fitzgibbon last year when it was put to the test and we had two fantastic matches with a goal at the death to completely turn one of the semis on its head. It was free flowing and intense to the death and this was February on a soft pitch. No real confusion for refs during its first couple of games now compare that to the black card rule which is still causing havoc after a full year in practice. If anything the clock is one less problem for refs which should be welcomed with open arms.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 23/01/2015 13:31:55    1685802

There was definite confusion - particularly among spectators, but also backroom teams - as to what the clock should be stopped for. Calling for the clock to be stopped, and putting pressure on the Referee to do so at times when it would have been wrong to do so, was not helpful.

The Match Officials were by and large indifferent to the clock. They did not feel it made their job any easier - if anything they felt the necessity to signal to the line when a stoppage was required was an additional burden!

The most serious matter we wish to bring to Ard Chomhairle's attention is the potential for confusion and controversy around when a game (or indeed a half) formally ends. Our Playing Rules says it does so on the sounding of the Hooter ("The end of the game shall be signalled by the sounding of a Hooter)
An issue arose in one of our games where a player struck a ball in or around the time the hooter sounded. Had the player struck the ball before the hooter, the score would have stood; if his strike was after it, it would not. There was enormous disagreement on all sides as to whether this particular shot had been struck pre or post hooter! There was absolutely no consensus on what the correct call was - one section of management, players and spectators I spoke to were adamant the ball had been struck before the hooter, another element of same were adamant it had not been struck until after the hooter! Even the Match Officials were in disagreement.
Had such an incident occurred in a Senior Football or Hurling Championship game and led to a team losing a game in such circumstance, the reputational damage to the Association would be enormous.
There are also issues over when the Hooter should sound. For example if a player is standing over a free, should the Hooter sound regardless of whether he is in the process of taking it or not? Might the hooter potentially be blamed for a player missing an All-Ireland winning free?
Should the 5th Official sound the hooter when the clock reaches 70.00 regardless of what is happening on the field of play (e.g if a free or penalty is waiting to be taken). The hooter signifies "the end of the game" according to Rule; yet elsewhere in Rule it is clear that a free awarded before the end of the game is permitted to be taken. Frees for further fouls by the team without possession - after the playing time has elapsed - can also be awarded. In our view there is potentially an anomaly there which could be open to exploitation in terms of challenging the result of a game further down the line.
We strongly believe that in any games where the Clock/Hooter system is being used, the end of the game should occur, not when the clock reaches 70.00 (or 35.00 for half time) but at the point after this when the ball next goes out of play, i.e. wide or over the sideline (an exception to this should be when a ball goes out for a 45 or 65 - there should be time allowed for this to be taken but any score from it would require to be direct). Once this occurs, the Hooter would then sound.

shea (Kerry) - Posts: 409 - 23/01/2015 14:23:04    1685828

Can the GAA change anything without a big song and dance about it. If they were running a private company they would be gone wallop years ago. No drama to this. Hooter sounds, games end when ball is next out of play unless its a free or 45. 45's have to be kicked over directly, play ends if ball falls short.

Brought in the black card last year for the league and abandoned it for the championship. Piss up, brewery, organise, can't.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 23/01/2015 15:19:38    1685841

I would like to see the ball out of play option of bringing a game to an end. Obviously though only if the ball is kicked over the bar, a goal scored or kicked wide. You couldn't have the the team that is leading being allowed to kick the ball over the sideline to end the game.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 23/01/2015 15:34:19    1685849

Aw no fair, I like hooters :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 23/01/2015 16:32:43    1685882

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Aw no fair, I like hooters :D

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Def the best thing about Ladies football alright!!!!!!!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/01/2015 16:47:02    1685887

Are we trying to reinvent the wheel?. Is it that broken.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/01/2015 17:06:03    1685896