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Kerry underdogs in the Munster final, both All Ireland semi finals and the final, they won all three rounds (semi after a replay). They played and adapted to contrasting styles almost effortlessly. This guy took on Jim McGuiness at his own game, and beat him (with a measly three weeks practice no less). No Gooch, some retirements to key men, and a team where SOME of the players had very little experience. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 23/09/2014 19:54:01 1656260 Link 0 |
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 24/09/2014 10:33:18 1656405 Link 0 |
Eamonn Fitzmaurice is a great manager and seems a likeable fella also and Kerry deserved (just about) to win the game on Sunday. But don't be saying that they only practised playing defensive tactics for only 3 weeks. This is ridiculous and comes from Joe Brolly but it doesn't make any sense and just isn't true. For example in last years AI quarter final against Cavan - yes Cavan - Kerry played very defensively with 12/13 men behind the ball. Now I've no problem with that but I wish people would call a spade a spade instead of seeing what they want to see. Also Pat Spillane has said that only one of the last five All Irelands was won playing defensive football (Donegal 2012). This just isn't true - at least 3 of the last 5 have been won playing a similar defensive counter attacking football (Dublin 2011, Donegal 2012 and Kerry 2014). In fact you could argue that Kerry's win on Sunday is the most defensive of all these. And if you want to go back further Tyrone 2008,2005,2003; Armagh 2002 or even Kerry in 2009 was not a triumph for open attacking football. supporter (Donegal) - Posts: 205 - 24/09/2014 10:54:06 1656428 Link 0 |
3 weeks practice??? They went negative sorry I mean defensive against Cork in the Munster final which was played in July. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/09/2014 10:58:14 1656430 Link 0 |
Fair play to Eamon. He comes across as a cool customer but you just know that under that icy exterior he can be a ruthless bastard aswell. He got the tactics right all Championship and he deserves all the plaudits he is getting. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 24/09/2014 11:01:56 1656432 Link 0 |
His sidekick Cian O Neil should also take a lot of credit, has worked wonders wherever he has went! 222 (UK) - Posts: 691 - 24/09/2014 11:20:16 1656440 Link 0 |
Fitzy is a tactical genius. If it was that easy then every manager would go defensive in order to win. Clondalkindub you obviously have something against my great county as on different threads you have only negative rubbish to say. Your not jealous i hope. 37 and counting. We will only get better in my eyes. The future is certainly bright under Fitzy. Up the kingdom. kerry74 (Kerry) - Posts: 1354 - 24/09/2014 11:28:22 1656444 Link 0 |
Not jealous at all just laughing at this notion that Kerry played fairy tale attacking football this year when clearly they didn't , Eamon knew after they went man on man against us last year and Cork in the league this year that he hadn't the team to beat the attacking teams so he went defensive fair play to him I didn't think it was the Kerry way but obviously it is. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/09/2014 11:34:56 1656448 Link 0 |
Not jealous at all just laughing at this notion that Kerry played fairy tale attacking football this year when clearly they didn't , aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 24/09/2014 12:13:43 1656473 Link 0 |
clondalkindub jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/09/2014 12:24:25 1656479 Link 0 |
Not at all Aidan I love Kerry football look at the thread were we picked the best 15 players in Ireland ever last year , I picked mainly Kerry players and I always say Gooch is the greatest player I've ever seen. If I hated Kerry I wouldn't say these things about Gooch and pick your players on best teams of all time. You had 36 which is a mile ahead of everyone else so 37 doesn't really make much difference your still the kings even if you lost on Sunday. I'm just pointing out to posters who think Kerry only had 3 weeks defensive training is not true. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/09/2014 12:27:56 1656483 Link 0 |
It's still chalk and cheese, when you compare where Donegal were at when McGuinness took over. I think they were ranked 19th in the country, while Kerry possibly never left the Top 5 at any stage over the past 5 or 6 years. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 24/09/2014 12:30:03 1656488 Link 0 |
Jim's influence on Donegal will be seen for decades to come. The man IS a redeemer and a LEGEND. I'll predict that we'll never go 19 years without a provincial title again, and please god will contest a few more all Ireland finals than we had in the decades leading up to his appointment. He's forged a new tradition for the county and instilled so much pride and passion in the people up here. How many young lads will be bursting to be the next Michael Murphy or Karl Lacey now as a result of his endeavours. Comparing him with Fitzmaurice is ludicrous as they both had completely different circumstances to work with, as GaryMc pointed out. Both men are great managers. Well done to both and thanks a million Jim! fire_in_belly (Donegal) - Posts: 59 - 24/09/2014 13:00:50 1656515 Link 0 |
JMG and Eamon Fitzmaurice are possibly amongst the best GAA managers of all time already. They have taken two pretty average group of players to the promised land. With Fitzmaurice having a stronger hand next year the kingdom are going to take some stopping. In terms of Donegal I suspect the achievements of JMG will really be noticed when he steps aside, Donegal should be going all out to ensure he stays around. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 24/09/2014 13:08:13 1656520 Link 0 |
I get the feeling that there are some who are delighted we lost the other day and seek to diminish Jim's achievements at every opportunity. What I would say to those is look after your own houses first before casting aspersions on others. What Jim has done for Donegal football is astonishing and any attempt to undermine his work or his methods is quite frankly laughable and not really worth responding to. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 24/09/2014 13:43:36 1656540 Link 0 |
Eamon (no favours) Fitzmaurice was spot on ALL season with his calls and i might add very ably assisted by Mikey & Murphy. traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 24/09/2014 14:33:25 1656569 Link 0 |
Jim McGuinness is a great manager and deserves all the credit he gets, like so many things in life people in Donegal won't understand what they will miss until his gone. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/09/2014 15:16:48 1656590 Link 0 |
fitzmaurice very good manager no question yet it does appear a certain number of people are eager to knock mcguiness off his lofy perch per say and those that dislike him are eager to diminish his achievements...no question donegal would be nowhere without him fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/09/2014 16:05:35 1656607 Link 0 |
I dont dislike Mcguinness at all, and have argued before that his achievemnets with Donegal arguably match anything that have achieved before in gaelic games managment. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/09/2014 18:59:29 1656683 Link 0 |
a paddy power statue you mean?..theres a documentary for a good few of the all ireland winning teams is there not?..yes well fitzmaurice manages kerry while mcguiness manages donegal a county who have very little history of success and turned them into serial winners fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/09/2014 19:09:12 1656689 Link 0 |