After watching yesterday's muck, is it time to introduce limit on hand pass say too 3 maybe 4.
It might make for more open game.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 22/09/2014 12:45:52    1655238

Yep I agree something needs to be done.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/09/2014 13:28:41    1655302

I don't think it would help to be honest. I think it would encourage teams to kick it sideways or backwards. It would also be very difficult for the ref.

Let's not over react from yesterday's game. There will always be poor games in any sport. The rules as they stand gave us 3 great semi finals.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 22/09/2014 13:35:04    1655309

yea thats a good rule. 3 or maybe 4. along with the steps rule. 4 or maybe 5 or 6 or 7. along with the tackle,

"The tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the rules of fair play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player.
The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact is forbidden (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge).
The only deliberate physical contact can be a fair charge, i.e. shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession."

yes rules are great on paper but if you don't implement them then they are pointless.

below are the Black card offences... see how many of these occured during the match yesterday
Cynical Behaviour Fouls

1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.

Now consider how many players should have been issued with Black cards yesterday.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 22/09/2014 14:05:05    1655339

If you can only do 3/4 bandpasses in a row that would massively encourage blanket defences lads!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 22/09/2014 14:28:25    1655359

The way to beat the blanket defence is to handpass the ball and run hard at teams the whole point of the blanket defence is to force teams to kick under pressure, aimlessly where to attackers who are outnumbered.

Reducing handpassing would only encourage even more defensive tactics.

If you want to stop what happened yesterday then there needs to be a rule which states 5 players must be within 65 meteres of teh goal they are attacking at all times.I might be difficult to enforce but the only way to gte rid of the blanket defence tactic is to outlaw it.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/09/2014 14:37:37    1655369

JP91
It's not soccer there's no offside kicking laterally or backwards there be a a man there.
Might encourage more 1 on 1 marking.
That's what made football great years ago it was man on man a contest to see who wins.
Players went out to mark each other.
Seen it yesterday once the ball was lost players just dropped back into there own half, never tracked there men just played space and crowd out other team.
It's painful on the eyes.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 22/09/2014 14:52:20    1655383

The biggest problem with limiting the number of hand passes allowed is it will encourage blanket type defending as stated already. If defenders know that a player only has the option of kicking the ball when he gets it he will be swamped. At least if he can handpass it away he has some hope.
I'll admit yesterdays game was a poor poor spectacle but we can't try to change the rules every time that happens. At the end of the day Kerry looked most dangerous when the ball was kicked in long and fast to their inside forwards, the fact the handpassed a lot was a case of horses for courses, and given the result who can blame them for that.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 22/09/2014 15:11:44    1655407

Rather than limiting the handpass how about stopping a team returning the ball back in side their own half once they cross the half way line.

The passing will then be limited to just one half meaning a team can be pressured more. If a team pass it around inside their own half the oppisition can then pressure in that half etc.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1336 - 22/09/2014 15:23:24    1655428

Limit the number of persons in there own half to 9 have a extra official to officiate it with a 45 free resulting from infringement
Something has to be done game as a spectacle is dying.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 22/09/2014 15:24:32    1655430

you would have to change another rule to prevent a handpass limit being exploited, any of the following:
1. Outlaw the 2/3/4 man crowding out. If only one man can tackle at a time then there is no benefit in having extra men in defence.
2. Limit the number of players a team can have inside the 45
3. 13 a side
4. award a mark for clean catch of a footpass

Might all be a bit of an over-reaction. Mayo and Dublin produced a bad game last year and they are the two most attacking teams in the country.

All Donegal matches are played the same way. Dublin were called naive because they tried to play football. Kerry allowed the game to pot as they thought it was the best way to beat Donegal. Kerry won, Dublin didn't. Donegal played the same way in both games.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 22/09/2014 15:31:15    1655439

OMG what is wrong with you people. you keep making up more and more silly rules. The refs cant cope with what rules are already in place, how on earth do you think they could cope with more.

did you read the rule above. the only physical contact allowed is a fair shoulder, all other contact is a foul. now implement that.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 22/09/2014 15:39:01    1655451

Cut the ball in half. That way the players will have to spread out because they'll have more than one piece to try and defend. Drag the defence all over the place by keeping the halves at different sides of the field, create the space, score a goal and a point at the same time.

Foolproof, patent pending.

bob_dolphin (Limerick) - Posts: 694 - 22/09/2014 21:26:33    1655650

Why not shrink the ball to the size of a sliothar and give every player a piece of an ash tree to hold in the other hand so they cannot handpass?

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 23/09/2014 08:27:55    1655693

Limiting the handpass will do nothing to remedy the "problems" that some people have identified from last Sunday's game. If anything, it would only increase the use of blanket defences. The one rule change that I think could make a big difference is reducing team size to 13 a side. There is historical precedence for this, as we're already moved from 21, to 17 to 15 to cope with the changing nature of the game. The additional space would incentivise good kickpassing to players on the move.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 23/09/2014 10:07:39    1655739

Lads, I would be in favour of a limit to the number of hand passes but as has been pointed out, players will find a way of subverting this.
In my opinion the answer could be a 2 point line at 35 metres. This would make teams push further out from goal to prevent the 2 point shot and leave more space for the inside forwards. It will also help develop long point shooting which was diabolical on Sunday.
The NBA was dying a death in the late 70's in terms of entertainment and introducing the 3 point line reenergised the sport. It could do the same for football.
I know people might say we are over reacting to one bad game of football, but its not that simple. The Ulster Final was absolutely dire this year. Indeed most games in Ulster were poor. Armagh and Cavan should have required a refund to supporters. Actually any game involving Cavan should have had free admission. And I'm not just saying that because I'm from Monaghan, its just a happy coincidence!!!
Also teams always ape the All Ireland winners, when Kerry won with Donaghy at FF in 2006, everyone copied it. Not realising that its wasn't Donaghy's fielding was the advantage, it was his quick hands (as shown in the O'Donoghue goal in the drawn Mayo game this year that saved Kerry's season) and that he was at the edge of the square for the floated ball in but if he had to come out the field he could still be a threat with his raw football intelligence. 2002 Armagh go to La Manga so in 2003 every county team that could afford it was packing the shades and sun cream. 2003 Tyrone win by not playing challenge matches and taking the league seriously. So everyone's at that in 2004 not realising it took the greatest block in the history of GAA to win Tyrone that match. England won the World Cup in 1966 without playing wingers, so there was no out and out wingers in England for 10 years.
Everyone (including Dublin, the gung-ho attack, attack, attack tactics of this year will never be seen again) will copy what Kerry and Donegal did this year and its going to make for some very grim football over the next few years.

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 23/09/2014 10:07:48    1655740

JP91
It's not soccer there's no offside kicking laterally or backwards there be a man there.
Might encourage more 1 on 1 marking.
That's what made football great years ago it was man on man a contest to see who wins.
Players went out to mark each other.
Seen it yesterday once the ball was lost players just dropped back into there own half, never tracked there men just played space and crowd out other team.
It's painful on the eyes.

That's the issue. The opposition drops back allowing plenty of space for lads on the halfway line to be passed to. In my opinion limiting the number of handpasses would encourage kicking the ball back to the lads in space on the halfway line, rather then risk a hopeful punt forward. Man to man is gone forever, it doesn't win anything in the modern game.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 23/09/2014 10:37:48    1655764

Really its simple. If you receive the ball from a hand pass you must kick it, simple rule easy to implement.
The debate is should it be introduced? I'm not sure.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/09/2014 11:33:30    1655809

Some good options . HQ please take note

royalpainter (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 23/09/2014 11:52:21    1655843

I've a an idea that'll put an end to this whole debate. Have a split in the GAA, one side stays as is, with no rule changes, playing modern, defensive, handpassing football as we have come to see it.

But the other side becomes the "Flowing Attacking Football Association", or FAFA for short. Under the new FAFA rules, games are played as normal, except no score is kept. During the match, a panel of judges will watch and assess both teams. At the end of the match, (regardless of who put the ball between the posts more often) the judges will award the win to whichever team played the more beautiful, honest, free flowing, attacking, catching and kicking, high ball fielding, footpass-punting football (Feel free to add more clichés to that mix). Any sign of tactics or any form of intelligent play will result in a team instantly forfeiting the match.

This way you remove such troublesome obstacles such as winning and enjoyment, and allow the game to return to simply being a form of artistic visual entertainment for the Sunday Game panelists, which is apparently what the GAA is meant to be about. All sides are accomodated, the "beautiful game" lovers can watch their new version, and the traditionalists who stick to the old GAA version of football can just accept that this is what football has become, and that the players arent there to entertain you.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 23/09/2014 12:11:39    1655861