Mike Frank has come out to state that Donegal reminds him a lot of Tyrone Team that won 3 All Irelands. Will this Donegal team which has taken the core stratedy of Tyrones winning formula and used it for their own style of play, achieve the same greatness? If they beat Kerry come all final day, they'll be well on their way.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 11/09/2014 08:49:27    1650806

Can I also lay claim to galway's all Ireland wins by way of the fact that they were managed by a mayo man at the time?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/09/2014 09:53:11    1650828

DONEGAL OF THE PRESENT = DONEGAL OF THE PRESENT.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 11/09/2014 10:05:56    1650835

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about, what do ya reckon cacs?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 11/09/2014 10:38:09    1650852

I can see this thread going awry very quickly!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 11/09/2014 10:46:26    1650859

Kerry are rattled!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 11/09/2014 11:19:37    1650870

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1650852 The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about, what do ya reckon cacs?

It is Mike Frank doing the talking, is that your best reponse?

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 11/09/2014 11:31:43    1650877

11/09/2014 11:19:37
waynoI
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1650870
Kerry are rattled!

Kerry are in for a tough game from a difficult opponent. Fitz came into the job after the 2012 championship and has been well aware of the task that lay ahead.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 11/09/2014 11:55:52    1650889

Mike Frank would say that, especially 10 days before and all ireland final. It might be their best idea of mind games. Its not bad, thats for sure.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 11/09/2014 12:19:17    1650898

'Difficult opponent'

'Difficult opponent'

'Difficult opponent'

Legend, do you think we will be a tough assignment?

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 11/09/2014 12:37:44    1650910

It's apt after McGuinness' Chelsea comment to use a term the Special One uses.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 11/09/2014 12:43:30    1650914

Tyrone had great success but it is unfair to say Donegal have used the Tyrone template. The reality is Big Joe and the great Armagh team used a system in 02 which Mickey Harte looked at as a way to get his county over the line however he also worked it to suit his own players. JMG and Donegal are already a great team for what they have achieved, they have created a whole new system which includes all the skills of the game, kicking handling, attacking pace and yes defending as well as great preparation and management.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 11/09/2014 12:47:36    1650917

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Mike Frank has come out to state that Donegal reminds him a lot of Tyrone Team that won 3 All Irelands. Will this Donegal team which has taken the core stratedy of Tyrones winning formula and used it for their own style of play, achieve the same greatness? If they beat Kerry come all final day, they'll be well on their way.



Noticed u posting on the Kerry- Donegal thread about Tyrone and Donegal let it go man we are miles behind Donegal at present our great all Ireland winning side is long gone at this stage if all Donegal had to do was copy tyrones template for success then surely we should still be challenging and winning all Ireland's.
While I do see similarities in the sides when it comes to defending in numbers then breaking up the field at great pace in numbers Donegal have a much bigger full forward line than then Tyrone had. Their defence is also bigger physically whereas we had more terrier like defenders such as ricey and Micky McGee. Looking at the transformation of the Donegal team since mcguinness first took over it's also obvious they are concentrating a lot more on the S and C side of things, looking at our current team the like of Peter Harte and Darren McCurry don't look any different physically then when they first joined the panel.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 11/09/2014 12:59:31    1650923

Both Tyrone and Donegal are great teams that have beaten all the main contenders during their periods of dominance.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 11/09/2014 13:05:33    1650926

Byanthon
Both Tyrone and Donegal are great teams that have beaten all the main contenders during their periods of dominance.

And both have come up short against perceived weaker opposition as many times as they did the above... No harm telling the full story while we are at it...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/09/2014 13:27:16    1650939

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County: Mayo
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1650939 Byanthon
Both Tyrone and Donegal are great teams that have beaten all the main contenders during their periods of dominance.

And both have come up short against perceived weaker opposition as many times as they did the above... No harm telling the full story while we are at it...

Certainly Tyrone won the All-Ireland in 2003 lost to a good Mayo team in 2004 before winning again in 2005 but that is part of what makes a great team how they handled the setbacks. Again in 2008 Tyrone lost to Down and sneaked past Mayo before going on to take the opportunity to win the all-ireland.

Donegal deserved the all-ireland in 2012 but the wheels came off in 2013 losing to two good teams in Monaghan and Mayo. However I always suspected they would come again under the same manager and players and so it has proved. Very like the Down team of the early 1990's or indeed Dublin of 2011 and 2013.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 11/09/2014 13:56:38    1650947

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1650939
Byanthon
Both Tyrone and Donegal are great teams that have beaten all the main contenders during their periods of dominance.

And both have come up short against perceived weaker opposition as many times as they did the above... No harm telling the full story while we are at it...

I don't agree on this TheMaster.

Apart from Monaghan beating Donegal in the 2013 final, I don't think they have really come up short against any other teams that were perceived to be weaker than them. They lost 3 x Championship games in 4 years, and they were only favourite's in one of those games.

Dublin were favorite's going in to the 2011 All Ireland SF.

Mayo last season were widely expected to beat a depleted and stuttering Donegal. How could that be after Donegal beating them in the previous AI Final you may ask?
Because Mayo were still at full strength, and were hungry for an All Ireland and also keen to exact revenge for their loss in 2012. Donegal clearly enjoyed winning SAM, the delayed return to training coupled with Injuries to key personnel crippled them.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 11/09/2014 13:58:15    1650948

well in 2004 and 2006 it can certainly be argued that injuries and off the field issues played a major role...why feel the need to take shots at these teams considering what they have achieved?..donegal last year more to do with tiredness than anything as has been shown this year

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/09/2014 13:58:58    1650949

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1650939
Byanthon
Both Tyrone and Donegal are great teams that have beaten all the main contenders during their periods of dominance.

And both have come up short against perceived weaker opposition as many times as they did the above... No harm telling the full story while we are at it...

This is a bit of a nothing post 2bh. Mayo were red hot favorites to beat us last year. And they did. The only team that was perceived weaker opposition was monaghan in the ulster final. Dublin beat us in 2011 but they were odds on to win too. So I would say that your point rests on one result, an ulster final in 2013.

In any event, if that is telling the whole story as you put it, then I dont have any difficulty losing the odd game. There is no team out there that has done this, unless you want to go right back to the likes of kerry 3 in a row, or meath or cork in 1987-1990.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 11/09/2014 14:27:57    1650964

And both have come up short against perceived weaker opposition as many times as they did the above... No harm telling the full story while we are at it...

No need for the cheap shots. Particularly as your own county is an easy target for them, no bottle etc etc.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 11/09/2014 15:33:53    1650988