Obvious from today's game that rule shouldn't have been changed. It's so difficult to score a goal now. I made the point at the time that the safety concerns didn't make sense, because a player could go as close to goal as they like in open play. Richie power took no prisoners today when he blasted the third goal from very close range. Why should a penalty have different rules

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 765 - 07/09/2014 21:52:14    1649311

Penalty is not a penalty anymore its a free in. If safety is the concern, leave the distance the same and take one or both of the defenders out to make it easier to score. If your a defender your going to give away a penalty every time because its so hard to score them.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 08/09/2014 08:19:02    1649322

The lads on The Sunday Game last night were saying it should be only 1 in the goal now to give the advantage back to the attacker. I wouldnt agree with that. It would shift the advantage too much in favour of the penalty taker. Perhaps a fairer solution would be to have 2 in goals instead of 3

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 08/09/2014 08:22:15    1649323

And an idea mooted on a sports programme yesterday evening could be considered, that a point scored from the existing penalty should be worth 2 points and a goal worth four points.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 08/09/2014 08:48:18    1649326

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The lads on The Sunday Game last night were saying it should be only 1 in the goal now to give the advantage back to the attacker. I wouldnt agree with that. It would shift the advantage too much in favour of the penalty taker. Perhaps a fairer solution would be to have 2 in goals instead of 3

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Key word you mention is advantage, 8/9 times out of ten a foul resulting in a penalty stops an almost certain goal, surely the penalty should be heavily weighted in favour of the penalty taker.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 08/09/2014 08:59:09    1649330

There are two simple solutions, forst option is as already stated reduce the number on the line. Or move it in closer and ensure the player takes it from the required distance.

We wouldn't be in this mess if people took it from the required distance in the first place. Going back to the way things where would be a joke as the penalty was reduced to a farce.

Just do the right thing for gods sake, a penalty is usually as a result of denying a player a clear scoring chance, the penalty has to reflect that.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 08/09/2014 09:11:18    1649333

Yeah its a bit of a sham of a rule to be honest. It just encourages players to pull down the opposition if they are through for probably a certain goal and punishes the attacking team. Sambo had an article on here a month or so ago after the Limerick/KK match where he said:

"Personally, I don't agree with the new ruling on 20m frees and penalties. It hands advantage back to the defending team. I would call for just two players to be allowed on the line when a 20m free or penalty is awarded.

"Do you think Donal O'Grady would have hauled down Richie Power if he knew only two men would have been allowed on the line for the resulting free?

"In this instance the advantage swung to Limerick, when that should not be the case."

They either need to do away with the rule completely or if they are keeping it then they need to tweak it so that the advantage isn't handed to the team that fouls. Personally I say take it and the black card rule and bin them both.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/09/2014 09:20:39    1649341

Heavily weighted -- I agree Tipp 11 , but making it absolutely certain that every penalty will be scored by only having the keeper on the line, I do not agree with that.2 on the goal line gets the balance better and would bring it back to the way things were before the Nash style of penalty-taking became the norm

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 08/09/2014 09:51:52    1649369

This rule is a joke and has to be changed immediately.
Does anyone in the GAA hierarchy go to Juvenile games. While everyone here is talking about senior intercounty players and their inability to score penalties at a senior level, it is miles worse at underage games. It is now virtaully impossible for an underage player to score a penalty. All the advantage has been given to cynical play.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 08/09/2014 11:03:35    1649433

The penalties taken in yesterdays game were poor, especially the first one, hardly made it to the goal!

I do agree that something needs to be done though - I wonder how much the success rate has changed since the new rule came in?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 08/09/2014 11:28:25    1649457

Yeah what we really need is proper stats from before and after the rule change to measure the difference. Taking 2 single incidents from a high pressure game is never a good way to make an argument one way or another.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 08/09/2014 11:42:19    1649469

The penalty situation definitely needs revisiting. The distance you can strike from has been put back due to health and safety concerns. So that change can't be rolled back. Agree with the posters calling for the removal of one defender. This should swing the advantage back to the penalty taker. Ideally 70% + of penaltys should result in a goal. Not sure what the average is now, less than 40% I'd guess.

enver (Limerick) - Posts: 128 - 08/09/2014 11:43:12    1649470

I think one on one for the penalty. As u can see from yesterday both penalties were saved by the keeper so both we're hit central enough. First things first the team taking the penalty where fouled and usually stopping a goal chance so for the penalty they shud have the advantage. And if the taker has to hit on or outside the 20 m line then I think it's a fair one on one opportunity. Like in soccer there is already the case for a badly taken penalty and a miss but as the penalty punishment shud be it shud be an advantage to the attacking team and yes there will be a higher success rate but that just what penalties are in any sport....they penalise foul play. I for one still wouldn't like to be the taker of one even one on one as the pressure is always on the taker especially if there's a serious game on the line for that penalty.

urhavinalaugh (Carlow) - Posts: 73 - 08/09/2014 11:44:55    1649473

If the forward turns inside a defender and is through on goal now at club level (even up to Senior club) then he must be hauled down.

Simple as that. Being doing plenty of it myself. It's a no brainer.

The rule will have to be looked at again.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 08/09/2014 11:50:06    1649477

PoolSturgeon is talking sense.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/09/2014 11:55:34    1649478

This might sound a bit American football-ish but for a penalty maybe the defending team could have the option to bring on their sub keeper & both keepers face the penalty. The manager would have to withdraw one player to allow the second keeper on and the keeper could go off again as soon as the ball goes out of play.

Of course if the main keeper is injured, the manager would no longer have the option.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 08/09/2014 13:02:52    1649526

I agree with Ban. They were poor penalties in yesterday's match.

Hurling badly needs a black card. Not saying that from yesterday's game but every game that was played this year. Chris Barrett pulled Richie Power's helmet in the game yesterday and committed a cynical foul. That should have been a straight red card in my opinion followed by a hefty suspension. In his defence, obviously he is not the only one at it. In every game we see an incident like that.

However, as yesterday was such a brilliant game, we don't have to apply the rules.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/09/2014 13:14:03    1649535

The solution is simple, only the keeper allowed in goal for penalties which must be struck from no nearer than the 21.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 08/09/2014 13:50:49    1649574

Another fall out from the 'Nash rule' is the death of going for goal from a 21m free in.

With the strike having to come from outside the 21 and as many as the defending team want on the line it really is a boost for defenders!

Let no one past lads! Drag them down all day if yous can. What a time to be a defender! The Glory of it all! Roll on Champo!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 09/09/2014 11:52:10    1649998

Moving the ball closer makes it more dangerous. Ever been hit in the balls from a hurling ball struck with force from 10 or 12 yards away?

One man on the line would be the best option.

By the way, people say football is cynical, but I'll tell you what. Some similarity between the Jackie Tyrell foul on Sunday and Sean Cavanagh's foul last year.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 09/09/2014 13:11:39    1650054