Firstly may I begin by saying I was completely opposed to Sky getting a cut of the action and bringing with them the finical cost of watching the games. But in the last number of weeks iv softened up to them and I think based on what i'm seeing thus far their really making a big effort. Also it would appear that their work has rubbed off on RTE as I noticed the camera work was much better this year with some new angels thrown in too.

Anyways the point i'm trying to make is will Sky prompt the GAA in time to shift to a more Champions League /League in general format for competitions? This is the GAA's chance to get their product across to the world and maybe attract some big sponsors but I feel that the current formats for championships will make it difficult for people to get to grips with how things work.

All of the sports Sky cover E.g. NFL, Heineken Cup, BPL, NBA, NHL , Champions league etc all run of group formats. Those who do the quick update snippets for Sky seem abit off when they have to say "In the preliminary Quarter Finals".

TheFullBack (Galway) - Posts: 110 - 30/05/2014 19:07:32    1595836

Its no disrespect to yourself lad , youve no responses , your new to the sight , if you scroll back you will see that Sky has been done to death on umpteen threads , many for and many against , wellcome to the site .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 31/05/2014 13:42:28    1595970

30/05/2014 19:07:32 TheFullBack
Firstly may I begin by saying I was completely opposed to Sky getting a cut of the action and bringing with them the finical cost of watching the games. But in the last number of weeks iv softened up to them and I think based on what i'm seeing thus far their really making a big effort. Also it would appear that their work has rubbed off on RTE as I noticed the camera work was much better this year with some new angels thrown in too.
Anyways the point i'm trying to make is will Sky prompt the GAA in time to shift to a more Champions League /League in general format for competitions? This is the GAA's chance to get their product across to the world and maybe attract some big sponsors but I feel that the current formats for championships will make it difficult for people to get to grips with how things work.
All of the sports Sky cover E.g. NFL, Heineken Cup, BPL, NBA, NHL , Champions league etc all run of group formats. Those who do the quick update snippets for Sky seem abit off when they have to say "In the preliminary Quarter Finals". Financial cost is not that much and you alter your budget if you want sky just like you alter your budget for anything else.
They do appear to be putting in a lot of work and RTE are stepping up with the increased competition.
Sky wont have the power to do anything of the sort regarding competition format and wont have the influence either.
31/05/2014 13:42:28 Damothedub
Its no disrespect to yourself lad , youve no responses , your new to the sight , if you scroll back you will see that Sky has been done to death on umpteen threads , many for and many against , wellcome to the site . So what if he's got no posts and new to the "sight" he can still make his opinion and show up his points....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 17:51:38    1596045

31/05/2014 17:51:38
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30/05/2014 19:07:32 TheFullBack
Firstly may I begin by saying I was completely opposed to Sky getting a cut of the action and bringing with them the finical cost of watching the games. But in the last number of weeks iv softened up to them and I think based on what i'm seeing thus far their really making a big effort. Also it would appear that their work has rubbed off on RTE as I noticed the camera work was much better this year with some new angels thrown in too.
Anyways the point i'm trying to make is will Sky prompt the GAA in time to shift to a more Champions League /League in general format for competitions? This is the GAA's chance to get their product across to the world and maybe attract some big sponsors but I feel that the current formats for championships will make it difficult for people to get to grips with how things work.
All of the sports Sky cover E.g. NFL, Heineken Cup, BPL, NBA, NHL , Champions league etc all run of group formats. Those who do the quick update snippets for Sky seem abit off when they have to say "In the preliminary Quarter Finals". Financial cost is not that much and you alter your budget if you want sky just like you alter your budget for anything else.
They do appear to be putting in a lot of work and RTE are stepping up with the increased competition.
Sky wont have the power to do anything of the sort regarding competition format and wont have the influence either.
31/05/2014 13:42:28 Damothedub
Its no disrespect to yourself lad , youve no responses , your new to the sight , if you scroll back you will see that Sky has been done to death on umpteen threads , many for and many against , wellcome to the site . So what if he's got no posts and new to the "sight" he can still make his opinion and show up his points....

Em yes , but he might find it more interesting giving his input to say skysports I love it thread , and people may agree or disagree with what he had to say , I suggest you read back what I posted its NO disrespect , then read the WELCOME to the site piece , NOW read this. WHY ARE YOUR KNICKERS IN A TWIST ?? I went out with a girli like you , an answer for everyone and god we all know you do , never did a thought stay in her head it always made it to her tongue , like yourself and your keyboard .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 31/05/2014 18:58:25    1596067

Ormo, has it ever occurred to you that sky should be the ones who "adjust their budgets"? After all, sky has more money than your average GAA fan. Where does your logic end? No matter what sky does, and no matter what they charge for services that were previously available to everyone, rich or poor, people simply "adjust their budgets" and everythings okay?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/05/2014 19:10:34    1596070

Damothedub, hear hear, this debate has long long run its course. But a big welcome to the newcomer.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 31/05/2014 19:20:33    1596074

Damo,

I think we have all had a girl like that before. unfortunately i still do! :(

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 31/05/2014 19:40:27    1596083

31/05/2014 19:10:34
joncarter
Ormo, has it ever occurred to you that sky should be the ones who "adjust their budgets"? After all, sky has more money than your average GAA fan. Where does your logic end? No matter what sky does, and no matter what they charge for services that were previously available to everyone, rich or poor, people simply "adjust their budgets" and everythings okay? The names O.R.M.O.N.D
How can Sky adjust a budget when never covered GAA in this manner before.
Sky are not bad guys at all like so many here want to portray them as bad.
Yes if people want or think they will have to get sky to watch games adjust their budget just like anyone adjusts themselves to get anything. Surprised you needed that spelt out for you. very simple and should be easily understood.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 20:12:53    1596093

Actually Ormo, haven't you made it clear several times that your name is ormondbannerman but now you're telling us it's just O.R.M.O.N.D? Will you ever make up your mind?

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 31/05/2014 20:32:09    1596096

What I understand ormo is that people, many of whom are low on cash, are going to have to spend more money to watch games, just so that Sky, a financial behemoth, can have MORE money. Its always the poorer who have to alter their budgets isn't it?
You say people here have a negative view of sky? Many do, but it (Sky) could work out and be a good promotional tool for the GAA (although I personally think that's wishful thinking). I think that youre just as bad. Youll defend sky no matter what they do.
Sky may not be the bad guys some here think they are, but they're not the knight in shining armour that you and your ilk think they are either.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/05/2014 20:39:11    1596097

31/05/2014 20:32:09 RebelCork
Actually Ormo, haven't you made it clear several times that your name is ormondbannerman but now you're telling us it's just O.R.M.O.N.D? Will you ever make up your mind? Nobody calls hill16no1man "hi" or joncarter "jo" so why call me "ormo" that isn't even a word but Ormond is and actually refers to me in that I live in the Ormond area of north tipp and my local club is Ormond rfc
31/05/2014 20:39:11 joncarter
What I understand ormomd is that people, many of whom are low on cash, are going to have to spend more money to watch games, just so that Sky, a financial behemoth, can have MORE money. Its always the poorer who have to alter their budgets isn't it?
You say people here have a negative view of sky? Many do, but it (Sky) could work out and be a good promotional tool for the GAA (although I personally think that's wishful thinking). I think that youre just as bad. Youll defend sky no matter what they do.
Sky may not be the bad guys some here think they are, but they're not the knight in shining armour that you and your ilk think they are either.They don't have to spend more. You can go elsewhere other than home to watch. You can use computer/phone to watch on sky go. you can stream games online. Its not always poorer who have to alter their budgets. By most means of analysis my family due to 1 of my parents jobs would be considered quite well off but due to changes in circumstances we've had to majorly alter our budgets so your argument can be ruled nul and void as its been mentioned in big way how middle classes have been affected majorly by economic issues.
I'll defend Sky as they have had little to no coverage yet are constantly getting criticised unfairly. Their entry to market will help RTE up their game which can only be seen as good as well.
I am not and have said nothing like Sky are "knight In shining armour" but nobody can say their entry to the market hasn't improved coverage overall

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2014 21:04:52    1596104

TheFullBack

So, the important thing to remember about the Sky deal is, its primarily aimed at the Irish market, and keeping up the Sky Sports subscriptions of Irish customers during the summer months. So as far as Skys audience is concerned, in the short to medium term at least, the championship formats won't be unfamiliar.

But, I do think overall you might have a point how our games will fit into the schedule of a any TV channel going forward. We have championships where every team only has only one definite date in their championship schedule, and thats their first game of the championship. They might have five more games after that, or jus one more. Dates, opponents, and location unknown. Forgetting Sky Sports for a second, how can any county effectively plan a club championship around that kind of format?
Then there's replays. Replays are a big part of the championship summer, how does a Sports channel schedule for that, especially when the game can be replayed 6 days later? I mean, if a game broadcast by Sky ends in a draw and requires a replay, who has rights to the replay? And even if Sky do get rights to the replay, how easy will it be to adjust their schedule to fit in an unexpected game? I think we take RTE's flexibility for granted a bit when it comes to stuf like this, although they're only showing the Cork/Waterford replay on its web player, not on TV.

So, while I'm not sure the Sky deal will influence any change by itself, it may be a good excuse to have a real discussion on whether the championship formats are still fit for purpose.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 31/05/2014 21:08:28    1596105