With all the rule changes that have been proposed I think the following would improve the game more than any. Use the sin bin for one purpose preventing a goal scoring opportunity through foul play. At the moment it is way too advantages to foul in football if there is a goal on with the chances of a goal form the resultant free in almost non existent.

Perhaps the sin bin would need to be turned in to a straight red or carry a game suspension if the foul is committed in the 10 minutes when the real pandemonium happens around the square. Eoin Cadogan wouldn't have worried about going to the bin for the final few seconds of Cork v Donegal when he prevented Michael Murphy scoring the equalising goal unless there was some further penalty..

Any thoughts?

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 386 - 19/03/2013 13:09:51    1351950

Think its the way forward , as I believe cute coaches will find way around black card system also .
We need to put in place a punishment to fit the crime , currently dishing out a yellow as in the Murphy incident is laughable .
Friend of mine suggested thinking way outside the box , if free is for cynical play denying a scoring opportunity resulting free be worth two points .
Personally think sin binning is way forward and if team has a third offence within game time player binned for rest of game ,
I remember when it came up previously caches were dead against it , but I think most fans have had enough and want o see good play rewarded .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 13:38:05    1351967

How would you plan on identifying a concrete goal scoring oppourtunity? Such an ill defined criteria would put huge pressure on the referees, and would probably result in them erring on the side of caution and waving play on. If someone lumps a high ball into the box and the ball is caught in a tussle with multiple players, could that be a goalscoring chance for example? The rules would have to be very well defined

piginmuck (Wexford) - Posts: 7 - 19/03/2013 13:44:31    1351974

If the forward is one on one with the goalkeeper and is brought down by an opposing player then it should be a straight Red card just like soccer.

westmeath16 (Westmeath) - Posts: 291 - 19/03/2013 13:57:40    1351981

Definitely against the straight red card option if ref gets that wrong he really does screw a team up .
This thread is only just beginning everyone wants fairplay , but ill be stunned if theres anything like agreement , there in lies the dilemma .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 14:03:26    1351988

In the Cork Donegal league game, Michael Murphy was hauled to the ground just outside the 13m line when a goalscoring chance was on. The defender in question made absolutely no attempt to play the ball or tackle properly. He was happy to "take a yellow" for the team. The cynical fouling will not stop until players are severely punished for these types of fouls. I guarantee you, if red cards were issued in these circumstances consistently for a few weeks, the whole thing would be cleaned up once and for all.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 19/03/2013 15:35:28    1352073

The Sin Bin is not among the proposals being put forward this year. I would agree that it should be introduced but its needs one GAA Club Member to put it forward as a "motion" at their Club AGM !!

Did anyone here do that ?

If not why talk about it now when its too late for this year ?

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 19/03/2013 15:48:12    1352077

KELF

The original poster asked " any thoughts " in other words anybody out there like to discuss , nobody said anything about it being on congress agenda etc
Its a speaking forum and open to discussion and debate , nothing else .
If you think its pointless to discuss leave thread to the rest of us , not causing any harm .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 15:54:38    1352088

The best way to combat cynical fouling and stopping the flow of the game is for the resultant free kick to be advance 30 yards.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 19/03/2013 16:25:24    1352123

I think the last man tackle could be introduced. that way players know what to expect in that situation.
this is also an issue out the field where player foul just to slow down play. Maybe the black card could help in that case but it remains to be seen

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 19/03/2013 16:33:31    1352136

I would agree with the posters above. Very hard to define what constitutes a last man tackle. It's obviously a lot clearer in soccer where there is an offside rule and a defensive line. If the full back and full forward jump together for a high ball 30 yards from goal and the referee decides the full back is climbing all over him should he be sin-binned if there is no defender closer to goal?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 19/03/2013 16:41:15    1352148

I think the last man tackle could be introduced. that way players know what to expect in that situation.
this is also an issue out the field where player foul just to slow down play. Maybe the black card could help in that case but it remains to be seen

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 19/03/2013 16:44:54    1352150

Damothedub
Friend of mine suggested thinking way outside the box , if free is for cynical play denying a scoring opportunity resulting free be worth two points .

And we all know what will happen then. Fellas will start engineering cynical fouls on themselves, which is an indicator of the real issue with the gaa. The ethos of finding ways to cheat the rules instead of playing the game.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 19/03/2013 16:47:09    1352157

TheMaster

Your probably right , but can we afford to sit and do nothing , everybody has good intentions suggestions , equally there are holes to be picked in all ,
Don't know the answer myself , but ill make one prediction you can take to the bank this ain't going away , and we are going to have some very disgruntled fans on through out the summer , calling for this that and the other , just hope its not my boys on receiving end .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 17:25:01    1352188

The sin bin is the only way forward to cut out cynical fouling. It works well in Rugby Union and Rugby League.

kerry74 (Kerry) - Posts: 1354 - 19/03/2013 17:25:32    1352189

i think the black card should be given a chance.
lets be honest it does really make the player think twice bout doing it.
(1) he will miss the rest of the match meaning he has to sit and watch another guy tak his lace like he has been subbed.
(2) it also means if the player who took his place plays well he will lose his place in the starting line up the next day
would certainly make players think twice about the good of the team if it means they have to sit and watch.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/03/2013 12:53:59    1352641