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Missed Calls

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What are the thoughts on missed calls during a game. Last Sunday the referee missed Stephen Bennett pulling of the helmet ( a red card offence) that could have impacted the result. Also the referee missed two penalty calls that may have impacted the result. No excuse for Stephen but the referee also missed what caused him to do what he did and what he had been subject to on going during the game. The question is where should the reviewing by the CCC start and stop ? Selected misses only ? Influenced by commentators who have no skin in the game (literally) replaying and replaying events ? For me if it is not got on the field or reported by some of the team of officials (six) it has to have a very robust process to be reviewed.
More and more these umpires are a joke. Contributing nothing including these two incidents. A player getting away with a series infringement while obviously been subject to on going treatment and blatant pull downs in the penalty zone similar to what got KIlk two penalties. Consistency ?
Incidentally no sour grapes with Cork the worthy winners.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 23/06/2017 14:48:35    2004040

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Mine go straight to voicemail.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/06/2017 15:36:10    2004061

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I just turn off my phone during the match.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 23/06/2017 15:40:24    2004064

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Has anyone got Sludden's mob number?

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 23/06/2017 15:52:17    2004072

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It's usually PPI or some recorded message asking if I want to take part in the window replacement scheme.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 23/06/2017 16:44:24    2004098

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I do not answer private numbers but missed calls I return just some lol

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 23/06/2017 16:47:53    2004100

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How can the ref miss calls when he got an ear piece.????

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 23/06/2017 17:21:23    2004113

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Incidents that are missed by the ref should be dealt with by the disciplinary panel. No player should be left away with serious foul play.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 23/06/2017 21:43:49    2004175

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Incidents that are missed by the ref should be dealt with by the disciplinary panel. No player should be left away with serious foul play."
"Incidents" Hypothetical, the goal keeper reaches back and takes a ball that is on the ground two feet over the line. The other team are beaten by a point. It is a missed call and a foul. Should it be reviewed. I know the CCCC have a different role but the impact on the game can still be the same.What constitutes a serious foul. Not a Dublin or Connolly fan but it was ridiculous to suspend him. If he farted the linesman would have felt it more. Obvious he felt nothing or he would have dealt with it then. The point is it seems that disciplinary action is initiated on the high lighting of tv pundits and not by the team of officials in charge of the game.
I certainly agree with you that a player who injuries another off the ball or deliberately should be dealt with. However It should not be missed by 6 officials on the field.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 23/06/2017 23:01:19    2004210

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The referee should have his phone turned off during a game.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/06/2017 00:32:09    2004224

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Replying To Canuck:  ""Incidents" Hypothetical, the goal keeper reaches back and takes a ball that is on the ground two feet over the line. The other team are beaten by a point. It is a missed call and a foul. Should it be reviewed. I know the CCCC have a different role but the impact on the game can still be the same.What constitutes a serious foul. Not a Dublin or Connolly fan but it was ridiculous to suspend him. If he farted the linesman would have felt it more. Obvious he felt nothing or he would have dealt with it then. The point is it seems that disciplinary action is initiated on the high lighting of tv pundits and not by the team of officials in charge of the game.
I certainly agree with you that a player who injuries another off the ball or deliberately should be dealt with. However It should not be missed by 6 officials on the field."
It's a good point, that what-if with the goalie reaching back and taking a ball that is on the ground two feet over the line. I'm going to commit the sin of using the s**cer situation, which is that the ref is the sole arbiter of matters of facts, and therefore if he doesn't think it was over the line, then it wasn't over the line. I don't know what the corresponding GAA "rule" is, or if there is one.

Also, at least for the FA Premier League, if the ref says in his report that he saw something and dealt with it, or decided it didn't need dealing with, then that's that (with some exceptions I assume); the red or yellow card (plus any resultant suspension) is all they get, or nothing if the ref's report says "Smith and Jones got involved in handbags but I talked to them and left it at that". In this way the powers that be don't re-referee an incident. If the ref has failed to see something, then the player can get punishment from whoever decides these things. If you apply the same thing here... well it's hard to know, because seemingly Connolly's contact with the linesman was down on the report as some sort of "P.S. Oh! By the way, this happened...".

Regarding Connolly's suspension, he laid a hand on the linesman and that's that. The rules are clear, and one or two other players had been similarly suspended earlier this year. It wouldn't have been inconsistent not to deal with him in the same way. By the way, the officials have questions to answer. Why was nothing done about three Carlow players bundling Connolly out over the line (I think)? Why did the ref not take immediate action when the linesman got touched?

Trial (or at least indictment) by Brolly and Spillane should be a no-no. A panel should exist to review all incidents, whether seen or unseen by the panel of The Sunday Game.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 24/06/2017 02:14:57    2004232

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GAA Official Guide 2017 - Part 1

Rule 7.3 (gg)
No decision made on foot of any Hearing shall affect the validity of any decision of the Referee with regard to the allowance or disallowance of a score or award of any free or the playing time allowed, or the validity of any Suspension served prior to the Hearing.

Rule 7.10 (n)
An Objection or Counter-Objection may only be upheld on the grounds (i) that an Infraction has been committed rendering the Defending Party liable to the penalty of Forfeiture, with Award of the Game to the Objector, or (ii) that a score allowed by the referee was not recorded by him or that a score was incorrectly recorded by him, thereby affecting the result of the Game; however no Objection or Counter-Objection may be submitted on grounds that a referee had incorrectly allowed or failed to allow a score.

game.on.now.ger (Galway) - Posts: 423 - 24/06/2017 09:38:23    2004245

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Replying To game.on.now.ger:  "GAA Official Guide 2017 - Part 1

Rule 7.3 (gg)
No decision made on foot of any Hearing shall affect the validity of any decision of the Referee with regard to the allowance or disallowance of a score or award of any free or the playing time allowed, or the validity of any Suspension served prior to the Hearing.

Rule 7.10 (n)
An Objection or Counter-Objection may only be upheld on the grounds (i) that an Infraction has been committed rendering the Defending Party liable to the penalty of Forfeiture, with Award of the Game to the Objector, or (ii) that a score allowed by the referee was not recorded by him or that a score was incorrectly recorded by him, thereby affecting the result of the Game; however no Objection or Counter-Objection may be submitted on grounds that a referee had incorrectly allowed or failed to allow a score."
Thank you for the rule clarification. However it seems a bit ambiguous. If he misses calling on certain issues it can be revisited but on others it can not. Not a referee basher but it is a team of officials and should there not be a review of where all of them are positioned and their contribution to the mistake. May be this does happen. Not fair to the ref that 5 others will not contribute or are asleep.
The GAA needs to upgrade. The game has changed (speed).
1. Score collection options. One umpire or goal judge position in the middle back far enough. Speed up the technology to call all scores (sensors as well as camera). Use a points net that allows the ball to drop down and be removed. (restricted height of score)
2. Referees. Two physically fit full time paid referees for inter county games. (there are many paying jobs in the GAA) One in each half of the field. The back ref watching ,speaking to the lead for off the ball incidents and awarding a scoring chance at the other end if one is not present.
3. Lines men. Probably not required if the refs are positioned properly in opposite quarters of their half of the pitch.
4. A fourth official tv monitoring (not the broad casting pundit). Mistakes will be made and the serious one can be corrected there and then without slowing the game down too much. Defined call back of play can be established.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 24/06/2017 16:44:56    2004338

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The 2nd referee in the Down Monaghan match had so many missed calls against Down this evening I thought his area code must be 047

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 24/06/2017 23:27:58    2004568

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The 2nd referee in the Down Monaghan match had so many missed calls against Down this evening I thought his area code must be 047"
That joke was bad, yet sadly true.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 24/06/2017 23:42:38    2004573

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  "That joke was bad, yet sadly true."
Not trained and not experienced how to officiate this system. Sadly this is reality. Hurling the fast field sport in the world on a 180 yds long pitch with the ball travelling in excess of 100 mph needs two referees who are trained and co-ordinated to do this. The referees are set up to fail. Players make mistakes but you can be sure that the modern coach go through these mistakes to avoid a repeat.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 25/06/2017 02:38:18    2004603

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