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Simple Rule Change to curb blanket defences

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Should all Kick outs not have to go beyond the 45? The knock on effects of this rule could be huge.

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 30/05/2017 14:34:15    1992224

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Replying To sportsfan14:  "Should all Kick outs not have to go beyond the 45? The knock on effects of this rule could be huge."
There's a thread on this anyway.

Why does this idea improve things. There'll be no pressure on the kick out so teams will all just filter forwards behind the ball. You'll just have a tonne of men in the middle third contesting the kick out. Defenders will be left back as protection and the game will be even worse.

Some of the suggestions that get bandied about on here a so badly thought through.

In all sports teams find a way to be defensive. Itll take some serious rule change to affect any proper change.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 30/05/2017 16:45:33    1992294

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13 a side is a logical response to greater fitness levels and athleticism. The precedence has already been set: the game has evolved over time from 21 to 19 to 17 a side. This would open up space, and reward fast, skillful forwards.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 30/05/2017 17:08:24    1992307

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I don't want to see any changes but if one was to be brought in why not a 2 point line. Give a reason for teams to step out.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/05/2017 17:36:17    1992319

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's a thread on this anyway.

Why does this idea improve things. There'll be no pressure on the kick out so teams will all just filter forwards behind the ball. You'll just have a tonne of men in the middle third contesting the kick out. Defenders will be left back as protection and the game will be even worse.

Some of the suggestions that get bandied about on here a so badly thought through.

In all sports teams find a way to be defensive. Itll take some serious rule change to affect any proper change."
I was thinking of this the other day and I agree with what you've said I've said it myself awhile back but here I go with an idea;

What if the rule was you have to kick it beyond the 45 but if forwards of the opposition team where gone behind the 45m line then the keeper can go short, you get me?

Now you'd probably need a ref in the stands to watch over it and be hooked up to the ref , but maybe it's way too hard to police I don't know.

And if the goalie is not sure let's say if Aidan O Shea is gone beyond the 45 m line then tough go long to be on the safe side.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/05/2017 18:31:31    1992338

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What is most difficult to watch is the amount of back passing, so I would not allow any back passing of the ball by hand or foot, inside one's own half of the field.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 30/05/2017 18:38:45    1992340

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Why don't yis all go away and create a new game and leave the rest of us to enjoy this one.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 30/05/2017 18:49:12    1992342

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Why don't yis all go away and create a new game and leave the rest of us to enjoy this one."
Increasingly less and less people are enjoying it.

Attendances are a decent bit down on ten years ago.

I think the idea of kickouts having to go beyond the 45 is a good idea.Easy to enforce and it brings back something most people enjoy.

Also think 13 a side should have been brought in about 10 years players are fitter and faste rthan they were in the past so no need for so many on the field anymore as the extra fitness makes up the ground now.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 31/05/2017 07:58:20    1992486

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Why don't yis all go away and create a new game and leave the rest of us to enjoy this one."
hear hear. increasingly, I feel like there's something wrong with me as I still enjoy going to matches, same as I have done for 40 years. I obviously don't have as much taste and sophistication as the "better in my day" whingers, but sure at least I still enjoy myself!

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 31/05/2017 09:15:15    1992502

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Why don't yis all go away and create a new game and leave the rest of us to enjoy this one."
Jim mcguiness has created a new game since 2011 have you not noticed ? So we should all just agree with the style of football Mcguiness likes? If there's any way we can think of rules to make it more exciting and less boring then bring on the ideas I say.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/05/2017 10:27:14    1992537

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "Increasingly less and less people are enjoying it.

Attendances are a decent bit down on ten years ago.

I think the idea of kickouts having to go beyond the 45 is a good idea.Easy to enforce and it brings back something most people enjoy.

Also think 13 a side should have been brought in about 10 years players are fitter and faste rthan they were in the past so no need for so many on the field anymore as the extra fitness makes up the ground now."
Attendances being down (if they really are) are down to more games on tv,cost, etc. it's nothing to do with how the games are played! People will go support their county especially if they have any bit of success no matter how they play!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 31/05/2017 10:36:00    1992542

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "Increasingly less and less people are enjoying it.

Attendances are a decent bit down on ten years ago.

I think the idea of kickouts having to go beyond the 45 is a good idea.Easy to enforce and it brings back something most people enjoy.

Also think 13 a side should have been brought in about 10 years players are fitter and faste rthan they were in the past so no need for so many on the field anymore as the extra fitness makes up the ground now."
Really? When did you ever see a league game with Cavan sell out 10 years ago?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/05/2017 11:41:26    1992576

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Replying To browncows:  "What is most difficult to watch is the amount of back passing, so I would not allow any back passing of the ball by hand or foot, inside one's own half of the field."
This isn't a bad idea and would be easy to police. Nearly every free kick go backwards. Worth experimenting with anyway I think.

As regards the ball going beyond the 45, what happens if the keeper cannot kick the ball that far or it falls short?

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 31/05/2017 12:07:57    1992585

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There are only two ways to get rid of the blanket defence and both of them are unlikely:

1. Ban all Ulster teams from competing in the all ireland

2. Build a time machine that will bring you back to 1997.

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 31/05/2017 12:55:55    1992598

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Replying To HurlingSnob:  "There are only two ways to get rid of the blanket defence and both of them are unlikely:

1. Ban all Ulster teams from competing in the all ireland

2. Build a time machine that will bring you back to 1997."
1998 Surely!

Gaillimh abú:-)

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 31/05/2017 13:16:12    1992607

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Jim mcguiness has created a new game since 2011 have you not noticed ? So we should all just agree with the style of football Mcguiness likes? If there's any way we can think of rules to make it more exciting and less boring then bring on the ideas I say."
Go on out of that clondalkin. Nobody, Donegal included, plays football the way that Donegal did in that one game in 2011. It didn't work then because they didn't get enough scores & on the other end of the scale, hell for leather football died in 2014 when Dublin found out that proper defence is a basic requirement nowadays.

Yes, a certain romance has gone out of the game as it has in every sport but I can't help but feel that we look at the past through rose tinted glasses. There were some spectacularly dreadful games in those days as a anyone who watched reruns on TG4 will have seen.

My tuppence worth for improving the game would be to extend the scope for offences meriting a black card, any cynical foul such as jersey pulling should be included. Neither would I allow a substitute on for 10 minutes for a black carded player which would give us an element of the sin bin.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 31/05/2017 13:17:34    1992610

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Replying To HurlingSnob:  "There are only two ways to get rid of the blanket defence and both of them are unlikely:

1. Ban all Ulster teams from competing in the all ireland

2. Build a time machine that will bring you back to 1997."
But what would you do with the other 23 teams??

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 31/05/2017 13:21:05    1992613

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Replying To achara:  "Attendances being down (if they really are) are down to more games on tv,cost, etc. it's nothing to do with how the games are played! People will go support their county especially if they have any bit of success no matter how they play!"
But you've highlighted the problem.

People go to matches out of loyalty and increasingly thats the main reason for a lot of people going and not enjoyment.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 31/05/2017 13:55:28    1992632

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Really? When did you ever see a league game with Cavan sell out 10 years ago?"
Championship attendances are down on where tehy were in the 00's.Attendances have falled in 9 of the last 10 years.See link below or maybe you shoudl ignore this and pretend eveyrthing is OK and that attendances being down isn't a big issue.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1020/825530-gaa/

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 31/05/2017 13:58:03    1992635

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My suggestion is for managers and coaches not to be such lazy bastards and use their initiative and innovation to come up with something new. Tactics evolve and so should the coaching accordingly. The trouble with the GAA is that far too many people just try to copy the latest thing, be it weights programs, nutrition, blanket defence etc.

If you listen to proper, modern tacticians like Horan, Gavin and McGuinness they don't spend all their time bleating like Brolly, Spillane - they actually try to explain the nuances of the tactics involved. McGuinness' column in the Irish Times is a very good indicator of this. He explains things in great detail.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 31/05/2017 14:16:51    1992644

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