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Can someone explain why the Dublin game is being played in Portlaois when last year the ground hadn't enough seats to accommodate our season ticket holders? What's changed in the space of a year ? Very disappointing for Carlow and it's town not having Dublin down for the June bank holiday , id be very surprised if our season ticket holders care if they had to stand.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/05/2017 10:15:47
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Last year's game should have been in Portlaoise and this year's game should be in Carlow.
It seems simple but unfortunately the Leinster Council seem to struggle when it comes to organising a soiree in a brewery.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 22/05/2017 11:15:21
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This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."
GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 23/05/2017 11:54:12
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Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" seems straight forward to me
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/05/2017 13:12:10
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After all the moaning and b&é"'(ing out of Laois last year I am glad they fixed it in Portlaoise...just to rile them up some more and show them who's boss.
Love it :)
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 23/05/2017 15:15:01
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It's ridiculous having it in Portlaoise. It should be in Carlow. So what about the lower attendance. And if not in Carlow, the second choice should have been Kilkenny. At least any Kilkenny people who went to it would shout for Carlow. Laois people wouldn't shout for Carlow if they were playing North Korea.
HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 23/05/2017 15:57:21
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Replying To HurlingSnob: "It's ridiculous having it in Portlaoise. It should be in Carlow. So what about the lower attendance. And if not in Carlow, the second choice should have been Kilkenny. At least any Kilkenny people who went to it would shout for Carlow. Laois people wouldn't shout for Carlow if they were playing North Korea." Yeah, lets move it to Kilkenny so Kilkenny people can cheer for Carlow...
GaaGaa78 (UK) - Posts: 285 - 23/05/2017 16:28:22
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Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke.
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 23/05/2017 16:48:50
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Replying To Richieq: " Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
Always about the dubs
Every sport does capacity minimums
munster couldn't hold their champions cup match in thomond park because capacity wasn't big enough.
Champions league games have to be played in grounds that have adequate amount of seating which has seen dundalk play their home games in tallaght stadium.
You want to restrict people going to the biggest game Carlow have had in a long long time now that would do wonders for promotion of the gaa.
fact of the matter is Carlow can't host this in Cullen park for the same reasons Dublin can't host games in Parnell park.
it's straightforward reasons.
From my reckoning there will be no public sale of stand tickets for this game as it is in portlaoise unless tickets are returned unsold from both counties.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/05/2017 17:02:20
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Replying To Richieq: " Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
I agree with everything else you said. And if the game was in Carlow we'd have no problem going there. Carlow is a great spot.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/05/2017 17:03:13
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Replying To Richieq: " Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 23/05/2017 17:20:59
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Replying To GaaGaa78: "Yeah, lets move it to Kilkenny so Kilkenny people can cheer for Carlow..." That's not what I said. I said hold it in Carlow. But if Carlow was a no go, Kilkenny would be better than Portlaoise.
HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 23/05/2017 17:26:02
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Replying To keithlemon: " Replying To Richieq: "[quote=GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 23/05/2017 18:21:29
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Would ya stop making excuses Richie! !!
The last time Dublin played a championship match in Cullen park I was there in 2002 and it was a disaster the way the crowd control went.
the pitch had about twenty streakers over the course of the match, the ground was overfilled as there was about 5 gardai on duty and the wall behind the goal was only a small one so people without tickets just climbed over it and in.
the capacity has been reduced since then and that was two teams travelling as we played wexford, if carlow playing there I'm sure they would have at least double the 3,000 supporters they had on Sunday that would leave 5 thousand tickets for Dublin with more than that already guarnateed tickets on the season and parnell pass schemes. This is the biggest competition in the gaa it would make no sense to reduce the amount of people who can go to the game. Amazing how people have problem with venue choices but not a problem with tv channels dictating when games are played and where like we had in tralee this year. The games should always be played at venues that allow the amount of people who want to go to them the opportunity as the slogan says nothing beats being there.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/05/2017 19:09:28
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Replying To hill16no1man: " Replying To Richieq: "[quote=GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
Always about the dubs
Every sport does capacity minimums
munster couldn't hold their champions cup match in thomond park because capacity wasn't big enough.
Champions league games have to be played in grounds that have adequate amount of seating which has seen dundalk play their home games in tallaght stadium.
You want to restrict people going to the biggest game Carlow have had in a long long time now that would do wonders for promotion of the gaa.
fact of the matter is Carlow can't host this in Cullen park for the same reasons Dublin can't host games in Parnell park.
it's straightforward reasons.
From my reckoning there will be no public sale of stand tickets for this game as it is in portlaoise unless tickets are returned unsold from both counties."]No I won't stop moaning and if you have the capacity to read and understand you will see my views are not about the Dubs but the unfairness of Leinster Council, in fact I have readily acknowledged the Dubs willingness and desire to travel so pull in your horns like a good man, this is the GAA, an amateur sport build on volunteerism and community, Leinster Council quote Slattery as the current capacity of Dr Cullen Park, that report was delivered in the latter part of 2011, almost 6 years ago. Had work been done in Carlow since? Have the Slattery people revisited and made an updated assessment? If Leinster Council are relying on capacities of a report from 6 years back then I would suggest that is foolish in the extreme. Navan was reduced to 10'000 by the very same report yet with minor remedial works was put back up to 17'000 within months. Turlough O'Brien on the Sunday Game last Sunday night believed Carlow could hold 16'000 so I think this needs verification instead of listening to the usual half baked excuses Leinster Council trot out.
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Richie your the one quoting professional soccer team in man utd and then when I give examples you change your tune to this is an amature organistaion.
you can't run with the hare and hunt with the hound my friend.
it happens in all sports they have to have a level of standards otherwise facilities would never improve over time.
Well then it's worse on Carlow if they haven't seeked an up to date review of the capacity of the ground since 2011 that's their own buisness.
The Carlow manager said he thinks about 16thousand as he was put on the spot and didnt in all honesty know, 16thousand is probably what it used to hold back 10-15 years ago.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/05/2017 20:12:29
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Always expected Portlaoise to get this match. I think there's an element of acknowledgement that they should have given them their game at home last year and is some small compensation.
It has similar capacity to Nowlan park also and would be more capable of catering for the crowd expected.
Carlow would of course have preferred this in Carlow as would have Laois in 2016 who probably had even more reason to be peeved.Of course they did protest in some fashion by not attending in the same numbers which would have skewed the true required capacity I think. Anyway, I hope they go out and give a good account of themselves as they have some fine footballers.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 23/05/2017 20:53:26
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Richie your the one quoting professional soccer team in man utd and then when I give examples you change your tune to this is an amature organistaion.
you can't run with the hare and hunt with the hound my friend.
it happens in all sports they have to have a level of standards otherwise facilities would never improve over time.
Well then it's worse on Carlow if they haven't seeked an up to date review of the capacity of the ground since 2011 that's their own buisness.
The Carlow manager said he thinks about 16thousand as he was put on the spot and didnt in all honesty know, 16thousand is probably what it used to hold back 10-15 years ago." Not running with hare or hound, it gives an example how a team with a huge fan base travel to smaller grounds irrespective of capacity whilst in the GAA I have never heard an official line on minimum capacities, if such existed or was enforced regularly then Pairc Ui Chaoimh should never have got a Munster Final in its final year, or Hyde Park should never have got a Connaught Final with a capacity of under 20'000. Certain grounds such as those in Waterford or Drogheda will never see championship fare in their current guise because their facilities are miserly, Navan has suffered similarly but even if Wexford had won last Sunday there was rumour abound that that possible fixture would be taken from Wexford Park, a fine recently renovated ground with a good capacity so it seems to me that no one is ever going to have championship home advantage over the Dubs. You want to make this an anti Dub thing, that's not my agenda, fairness to so called weaker counties is my agenda here and I welcome the desire and openness of Dubs in wanting to travel and enhance provincial towns with their presence. Even the mighty Ciarán Whelan championed the Carlow cause last Sunday night. Don't agree with me then fine I know I don't agree with you, I doubt either of us will loose a fortune of sleep over it tonight.....
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 23/05/2017 21:24:58
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Replying To Richieq: "Not running with hare or hound, it gives an example how a team with a huge fan base travel to smaller grounds irrespective of capacity whilst in the GAA I have never heard an official line on minimum capacities, if such existed or was enforced regularly then Pairc Ui Chaoimh should never have got a Munster Final in its final year, or Hyde Park should never have got a Connaught Final with a capacity of under 20'000. Certain grounds such as those in Waterford or Drogheda will never see championship fare in their current guise because their facilities are miserly, Navan has suffered similarly but even if Wexford had won last Sunday there was rumour abound that that possible fixture would be taken from Wexford Park, a fine recently renovated ground with a good capacity so it seems to me that no one is ever going to have championship home advantage over the Dubs. You want to make this an anti Dub thing, that's not my agenda, fairness to so called weaker counties is my agenda here and I welcome the desire and openness of Dubs in wanting to travel and enhance provincial towns with their presence. Even the mighty Ciarán Whelan championed the Carlow cause last Sunday night. Don't agree with me then fine I know I don't agree with you, I doubt either of us will loose a fortune of sleep over it tonight....." If you don't want to make this an anti dub thing then why are you saying it's they don't want to give the opposition to Dublin a home game.
the reason wexford were going to not host was their own chairmans concerns that they hadn't got any stand tickets available for wexford people if they were to play in wexford park as the Dublin season ticket holders have to get a ticket which is stipulated in the scheme they entered in. Hence the problem last year with portlaoise as their wouldn't have been enough stand capacity to cater for both Dublin season ticket holders and laois would have had a problem with no stand tickets so the Leinster council choose nowlan park on that basis.
It's not a Dublin thing it's a numbers thing if kilkenny played football and we're down to host Dublin the game would be played in nowlan park because it meet a the demand. The problem in Leinster is a lack of up to date stadiums that can cater for up to date ticket schemes
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/05/2017 23:18:47
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Replying To Richieq: " Replying To GaaGaa78: "This is the explanation given by the Leinster Council:
"The timing is important. The decision, taken in October of 2015, was done in the belief that Nowlan Park and its significant size was required to cater for the expected crowd at a Dublin SFC game outside of Croke Park.
The Dublin match in Kilkenny v Laois last summer saw ticket sales of roughly 17,000 and the capacity was not reached. The result is that having experimented with taking Dublin out of Croke Park there is up to date, hard evidence of the capacity required.
The capacity for O'Moore Park is roughly 18,000. The capacity for Netwatch Cullen Park under Slattery is only 11,000.
This was the determining factor in making Portlaoise the venue for a possible Carlow v Dublin match because the evidence of 2016 is that Carlow as a venue fails to meet the potential requirement whereas Portlaoise meets it."" What utter BS this is, if Carlow can only hold 11K then so be it, if Man Utd get drawn away to Accrington Stanley in the FA Cup they go there irregardless of the crowd capacity because it's an away fixture, Carlow should be at home full stop and the Dubs and their supporters are willing to travel in whatever numbers they are allowed so no issue, this pandering to the Dubs by officialdom is now beyond a joke."
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/05/2017 07:00:43
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