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Free-taking competition to decide semi-finals

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I see Richie Hogan has spoken out against a potential free-taking competition to decide this weekend's hurling semi-finals. http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=268975 I'm with him on this. I've never liked the penalty shoot-outs in soccer. I think this is the thin edge of the wedge; a few years from now and all games could end up being decided this way, including the All-Ireland finals, hurling and football. I can't help feeling this is being driven by the TV companies, who love a game to be decided on the day; and how better then the drama of a sudden death shoot-out. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 13/04/2017 17:03:56 1979161 Link
Considering they're being broadcast only on TG4, I really doubt it's due to any pressure from TV companies. If anything TG4 would love a replay for more viewing figures. It's been repeatedly stated that the shootouts are to allow for county boards to plan club games with more assurance, knowing they won't have any replays from the league QFs/SFs. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 13/04/2017 17:47:18 1979173 Link
I think its fair enough to have a shootout if teams are still level after 2 periods of extra time.Why a shoot out for points though? Surely penalties would be more exciting? Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 13/04/2017 18:11:25 1979181 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "Considering they're being broadcast only on TG4, I really doubt it's due to any pressure from TV companies. If anything TG4 would love a replay for more viewing figures. It's been repeatedly stated that the shootouts are to allow for county boards to plan club games with more assurance, knowing they won't have any replays from the league QFs/SFs." You're right in what you say. But this is the first time it's being tried (trialed?). I doubt it'll be the last. RTE/Sky will watching with interest. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 13/04/2017 22:08:52 1979247 Link
Replying To Condorman: "I think its fair enough to have a shootout if teams are still level after 2 periods of extra time.Why a shoot out for points though? Surely penalties would be more exciting?" I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 13/04/2017 22:22:11 1979250 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling." I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling. Really good idea but games could go on for too long if it was a very tight game,Especially football games,Maybe first to two scores would be better after the first period of E.T shea (Kerry) - Posts: 409 - 13/04/2017 22:55:03 1979262 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling." Interesting idea, reminds me of 'next goal wins' games when I was a kid! If the game was being played on a day with a strong breeze aiding one side it wouldn't be fair though. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 13/04/2017 22:17:02 1979267 Link
Replying To Condorman: "I think its fair enough to have a shootout if teams are still level after 2 periods of extra time.Why a shoot out for points though? Surely penalties would be more exciting?" Penalties can be down to luck. Free taking can be down to luck also, but I think there is more skill involved. That said, would really not like to see this creeping into games at all. A very unfair way for a team at such a level to go out. GormlaighG (Mayo) - Posts: 77 - 13/04/2017 23:02:09 1979279 Link
Replying To GormlaighG: "Penalties can be down to luck. Free taking can be down to luck also, but I think there is more skill involved. That said, would really not like to see this creeping into games at all. A very unfair way for a team at such a level to go out." I would argue that there is more skill involved in hitting the net with a penalty than driving a ball (or sliothar) over the bar.You have to beat a goalie in one instance not in the other. I know its a cruel way to go out but losing is cruel, thats the nature of sport. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 14/04/2017 00:39:21 1979290 Link
Replying To shea: "I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling. Really good idea but games could go on for too long if it was a very tight game,Especially football games,Maybe first to two scores would be better after the first period of E.T" What about first team to go ahead by two points? It means you need two points in a row (3 if you're one down already), OR a goal wins outright.... Can you imagine the sweaty palms watching this would give you..... Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 14/04/2017 11:06:41 1979344 Link
Replying To Jaden: " Replying To shea: "I've not given a lot of thought, and there's no easy or fair solution, barring a replay. But how about, instead of playing another 10 or 15 minutes; set a target of points to win the game. So, for example in hurling, at the end of a drawn game, extra time will be played until the first team scores 8 points or more (we can quibble over the total points). This would mean at least 3 scores would be needed to win. Add in the use of extra substitutes. This is not a perfect answer; but at least game will be decided by a team (not an individual), playing hurling. Really good idea but games could go on for too long if it was a very tight game,Especially football games,Maybe first to two scores would be better after the first period of E.T" What about first team to go ahead by two points? It means you need two points in a row (3 if you're one down already), OR a goal wins outright.... Can you imagine the sweaty palms watching this would give you....." A day with a strong wind down the pitch though and the game is more or less decided on the toss of the coin to determine who plays with the wind advantage. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/04/2017 11:47:27 1979354 Link
I think there's more merit in penalties deciding the outcome than long range frees. At least that way both teams are participating in the outcome per shot and with free taking you're relying on someone to make a mistake and that can be cruel on the individual involved. Granted the same can be said for a penalty shoot out, but if the keeper pulls off a save the burden is less on the person who took the shot.. No easy answer. bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 14/04/2017 14:04:28 1979390 Link
Its a good idea, replays are killing the club game 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 14/04/2017 15:01:50 1979401 Link
Replying To 890202: "Its a good idea, replays are killing the club game" I'm curious as to how replays are killing the club game , when most people o know state there aren't enough games , my own take is I would be against it for following reasons some of the windiest layers I've ever known were ace at frees and sidelines , put an opppsotion player near them and they we're cowards , hate for those type of players to be heroes Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 14/04/2017 15:31:54 1979412 Link
The GAA reduced the size of the league and therefore amount of matches so to address that they invented a knockout at the end of the league. Q/F, S/F and Final so the people responsible for this are the GAA and after bolting on a meaningless knockout to a league program they come up with this crap. We'll be watching for hours as free after boring free sails over, the floodlights will be on, the stadium long empty and it will be finally down to the kit men to put them over. Shambolic. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 14/04/2017 20:16:46 1979456 Link