clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3267

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I thought Michael Murphy was poor today and didn't look fit for a player on his day is one of the best. Just saying Muck not an attack

No argument at all Clondalkin, though he was being double & sometimes treble marked. Not a great day at the office but then we have lost every away league game these last two years so not a huge surprise. The knee injury to McGee is more of a worry, can't afford to ship injuries as one of the main reasons we won last year was that we managed to remain injury free.

I have warned the people in Jacksons about your impending arrival & they have ordered in extra barrells!!!!!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 25/03/2013 11:06:17    1355688

Ok usual suspects wanting to turn this into another meath v kildare slagging match, haven't we had enough of them?
My point is simple cork for example can finish fourth and more than likely could win league under these rules, despite been beaten and behind teams on points :(including kildare) how should they become division one champions??? And that's not having a go at cork by saying that it could be any team, Jesus look at Westmeath top of div 2 only unbeaten team in ire, they beat Derry in couple of weeks and same team gets win in final, would anyone including derry fans call themselves champs, it makes no sense, yeah the rules have been there for a couple of years, that doesn't mean they are right, in my view have each division champion on league format, ie POINTS, then have a leagues champion where the winners play off against each other,
as for me been worried cause kildare might win??? Ahh come on get a grip, even if i had those thoughts the fact that Dublin and Tyrone are there would ease them :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/03/2013 11:21:04    1355701

I have warned the people in Jacksons about your impending arrival & they have ordered in extra barrells!!!!!!

More like less barrels and more security!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/03/2013 11:27:34    1355709

Don't watch the play-off finals in Wembley at the end of the lower divisions soccer season in England or the end of the Magners League in rugby or the Aussie Rules Grand Final or any American sports really. They will blow your mind!

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 25/03/2013 11:38:04    1355712

Royaldunne I hear what your saying but everyone knew the format before the league started so lets leave it at that. Muck I said more than that about Murphy but admin did not put it up. I'd be very worried if I were Donegal there not reaching near the same standards in work rate as last year and they totally remind me of Dublin 2012.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 25/03/2013 11:42:31    1355717

Haha I like it the Master I honestly didn't think you had a sense of humour but maybe you are at last changing your ways ha. By the way Mayo are serious contenders this year if they have Moran and Dillon 100% fit, everything I've seen from the them so far has really impressed me and it will take a very good team to beat them.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 25/03/2013 11:47:00    1355721

Impressive win for Tyrone yesterday, brought a greater intensity to the game and had a more purposeful attack, while we never really got going until early in the second half.

We only have ourselves to blame though, too many balls dropped short to the keeper and some scorable wides kicked. At least though we're creating some chances to score, which is a lot easier to fix than not creating anything at all.

Hurley and Cribbin definitely created a bit of a buzz when they came on, and both seemed well able to match up to things in the physical stakes, Hurley certainly looks like he could be an option for the seniors once the under 21 championship is over (hopefully not for a few weeks). Along with the introduction of those two it was good to get a bit more game time into the likes of Leper, Smith and Lynch.

Anyways, into the league semi's, more than likely against the Dubs which will be something the players will relish I guess, can't see us making the final but I'd be surprised if the winning margin was as great as it was a few weeks ago.

Not really sure why people are arguing over whether or not a team finishing second and winning the final are really league champions.

It's obvious really, of course they are.

Bit late for people to be moaning about the system this late in the league, I can understand the semi finals being a bit unnecessary but how come there was nobody complaining about the top two playing a final at the start of the year, or at the start of last years league?

One of the few times I'll side with the bookies.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 25/03/2013 11:51:07    1355723

Clondalkin, your right, but my point is that for future years it needs to be changed, we had a football review and this ridiculous position hardly got a mention, but black cards did, nonsensical,
It is simple can you imagine this happening in say premiership.? Tell man utd that even though the walked the league they have to play off against man city Chelsea or whoever is there to become champions, IMO it devalues the league. And needs to be looked at in future years

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/03/2013 11:59:22    1355734

the semi finals are there to make a few bob yeah in perfect world it should be just a league final but what i would suggest is why does score differance not count ahead of who beat who if teams finish level?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/03/2013 12:15:29    1355762

Tyrone continued rolling onwards yesterday. Another very impressive, workmanlike performance from our men. I'm finding myself using that word more and more this year, 'workmanlike' - but I feel it describes our team well at the moment. While we have some fine individual displays, Sean Cavanagh was very good yet again, the work ethic in the team is a joy to watch. Mark Donnelly put in another tremendous shift of direct running and others like Paddy McNeice done a serious amount of work off the ball. Niall Morgan excelled yet again. We have a nice mix in the team at the minute and our young players are finding their feet well, it will just take time to get it right, but we're going the right direction.

Kildare will be disappointed, but not overly so I guess. They will still have learned a lot from the game and have their place in the semi-finals confirmed. They created a serious amount of chances but wides (someone around me counted 15 I think) and balls dropped short are cruel at this level. Paul Cribben played very well when he came on and is surely pushing his way towards a starting slot for the Championship team?

Like Tyrone, I imagine Kildare and their supporters will see a League semi-final as an extra game to build them towards the Championship. We will welcome Kerry with open arms to Omagh in two weeks time

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 25/03/2013 12:16:07    1355765

This is the GAA not the EPL. People whinging because certain countys' reach a league semi or league final. Childish beyond belief.

Coming onto the HS forums to moan about it with one league game left. Are you all afraid to speak up at your club AGMs or county conventions to change this? Are would you rather come one to an internet forum and had a good oul whinge about it?

Actions speak louder than words.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 25/03/2013 12:23:19    1355781

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3269

I'd be very worried if I were Donegal there not reaching near the same standards in work rate as last year and they totally remind me of Dublin 2012.

We didn't set the world alight in the league last year either, staying up only on the last day & losing every away game, just like this year. So no, I'm not overly concerned. Of course I would like to see us on top form & playing the sort of football Dublin are playing, who wouldn't? But JMcG has his way of doing things & I will leave it with him. We are not playing well & yet our scores for & against are level, nine weeks of training with Lacey back will I think see us in a different place.

As JMcG said himself after the game, "your fitness levels are linked to your concentration and concentration is linked to making good decisions when you are on the ball. So, hopefully, in nine weeks' time, mistakes that are being made now will have been eradicated."

Time will tell.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 25/03/2013 12:25:30    1355784

EnolaGay
County: Tyrone
Posts: 590

1355765 Tyrone continued rolling onwards yesterday. Another very impressive, workmanlike performance from our men. I'm finding myself using that word more and more this year, 'workmanlike' - but I feel it describes our team well at the moment. While we have some fine individual displays, Sean Cavanagh was very good yet again, the work ethic in the team is a joy to watch. Mark Donnelly put in another tremendous shift of direct running and others like Paddy McNeice done a serious amount of work off the ball. Niall Morgan excelled yet again. We have a nice mix in the team at the minute and our young players are finding their feet well, it will just take time to get it right, but we're going the right direction.

Kildare will be disappointed, but not overly so I guess. They will still have learned a lot from the game and have their place in the semi-finals confirmed. They created a serious amount of chances but wides (someone around me counted 15 I think) and balls dropped short are cruel at this level. Paul Cribben played very well when he came on and is surely pushing his way towards a starting slot for the Championship team?

Like Tyrone, I imagine Kildare and their supporters will see a League semi-final as an extra game to build them towards the Championship. We will welcome Kerry with open arms to Omagh in two weeks time



Yea I'm sure Paul Galvin could do with a hug ok!!!

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 25/03/2013 12:25:35    1355785

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 6303

1355709 I have warned the people in Jacksons about your impending arrival & they have ordered in extra barrells!!!!!!

More like less barrels and more security!

typical anti dub comments from TheMaster.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 25/03/2013 12:28:35    1355790

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 3989

1355762 the semi finals are there to make a few bob yeah in perfect world it should be just a league final but what i would suggest is why does score differance not count ahead of who beat who if teams finish level?

Why should it count above a head to head? Surely the result between the two teams in question is a more justified and sensible way of deciding who finishes higher?

For example,(and for this to work you must discount kerry). Cork and Mayo play next week with both having something to play. Dublin however have nothing to play for next week against Donegal who are fighting relegation. Jim Gavin doesn't want to chance some of his better players in a physical contest against a side looking to stay up and plays essentially a reserve team which Donegal beat convincingly by 9-10 points.

Mayo meanwhile fight tooth and nail against a Cork team looking to cement a place in the league semi finals and win by a point. Therefore Donegal's margin of victory against a Dublin "C" side keeps them up. This I believe is unfair. Mayo beat Donegal yesterday and if they end up on the same points I believe that the head to head result is a more pertinent and consistent way of dealing with this.

With regards Brennan why did he feel the need to kick the ball when it was being held by a man lying down and the ref had given a free? Elbowing a man twice is pushing it with regard to a self defence claim. He deserved to go as did the Down player. What either did was no better nor worse than the other. Both struck, both should have been sent off...

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 25/03/2013 13:15:52    1355858

Typical take myself too seriously, 'nobody can make a joke about the dubs', comment there from superbluedub...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/03/2013 14:05:48    1355911

Personally think that head to head rule is the best way to go.

Superbluedub

That's just the Master's wit and penchant for matey banter shining through. He's famous for it on this forum!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 25/03/2013 14:17:56    1355926

MesAmis; showing that superbluedub is not the only one with these issues...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/03/2013 14:26:18    1355940

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 3989

1355762 the semi finals are there to make a few bob yeah in perfect world it should be just a league final but what i would suggest is why does score differance not count ahead of who beat who if teams finish level?

To be fair its to stop cricket scores being put by teams near end of league when players are rested by other teams.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/03/2013 14:32:38    1355949

Well done to Tyrone yesterday, I was impressed by how hard they work for each other and they are very good at dispossessing a player if he takes the ball into contact. I lost count of the number of times a Kildare player lost the ball in these situations. Also Tyrone picked off some nice points, sometimes from very acute angles.
As for Kildare I doubt if Kieran McGeeney will lose any sleep over the loss. It struck me yesterday by the team he put out (and some of the substitutions) that he wasn't too anxious about the result. For instance I can't see Roly Sweeney, Rob Kelly, the O'Flahertys featuring on the starting team against Offaly. I'd imagine the following will be his team for the Championship -
Connolly, Lyons, Foley, McGrillen, Bolton, Kelly, Doyle, Flynn, Hurley, Dan Flynn, Callaghan, Cribbin, Johnston, O'Connor, Doyle.

OntheWhiteSide (Kildare) - Posts: 452 - 25/03/2013 14:46:30    1355966