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Stop the Hand Slap Goal

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "Complete nonsense.

Paul Mannions overhead hand slap goal against Kerry a few years ago is one the great goals.

If a team works the ball into the position that the ball can be palmed into the net then they deserve a goal.Why should the team who put all the work to gte the ball into that position be punished by having to slow up and kick the ball into the net thereby giving the defence more of a chance.

The GAA seems to be the only sport where apparently is some aspect of it doesn't "look good" then that thing should be stopped.A five yard pass in soccer doesn't really look good either it's just a basic basic skill should it be got rid of.I'm all for changing rules to improve the game but a rule change should actually provide a benefit or fix and issue (like the mark has done) and not be brought in because something doesn't look good, particularly in this instance when palming a ball into the net looks fine.

Not every single part of the sport has to look really skilful and that applies to every sport in the world."
Mannion's goal was a closed-fisted punch, a work of beauty

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 13:10:09    2018603

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Replying To Mike Patton:  "
Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "I agree it's a horrible way to score. It's one of my hobby horses; should have to be one-handed, closed-fisted, and must come from a kick-pass, not a handpass. It's Gaelic FOOTball after all."
Yes it is FOOTball. Why not go even further and stop players touching the ball with their HANDs at all - what is this RUGBY!! No feet only, KICK passes only. And in that case why do we need fifteen players, eleven should be enough!. And whats with points!?- it is more skillful and artistic to score GOALS - feet only no slaps remember! - and the pitch is way too big if you can't hand pass up and across it like rugby league..."
You're off on your own little trip there. Has nothing to do with anything I said. Might have been relevant if you'd described having teams with 5 very tall players, reduced the net to a hoop with a backboard.

But y'know...

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 13:12:18    2018606

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Aww here. This is the type of lamentable stuff there should really be an Internet filter for. Maybe players should get down on their hands and knees and nod the ball home from a yard out like the p**s takers do at my weekly game of astro?"
Good one.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 13:12:49    2018607

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Think of the conundrum for Hawkeye-like-technology (HLT) though deciding if it was a fully closed fist."
if a player is only allowed to use one hand then it is actually far easier to use a closed fist than an open hand.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 13:15:12    2018608

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Replying To benjyyy:  "Don't mind the slaps but I hate the ones that are verging on catching the thing and throwing it. Almost like a spike in volleyball."
Indeed, maybe some of the lads here see themselves in speedos and factor 50 on the copacabana

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 13:16:09    2018609

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I think the hand slap goal looks ridiculous, the rule should be changed, the ball should be fisted or kicked to the net, the fisted point should be banned too.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 18/07/2017 13:46:16    2018632

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Replying To kikfada:  "diving headers would be fun lol"
Only for the people watching, I wouldn't like to head a gaelic football ;)

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2017 14:04:33    2018649

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Why not shorten the pitch, go to 11 a side, widen the nets and bring in an offside rule while we're at it lads?

The game of gaelic football has always been about good footpassing, handling and handpassing skills, and it's harder than it looks to direct the ball to the net with your hands, especially if the ball is down low and travelling at speed.

The GAA got rid of the handpassed goal in the early 80s to try to reign in the dominance great Kerry side of that era. Wasn't exactly a roaring success, was it?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2017 14:14:24    2018658

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "if a player is only allowed to use one hand then it is actually far easier to use a closed fist than an open hand."
Are you serious? So if a player is standing with an open goal after the keeper being taken out of it due to the last handpass across you think a close fist is easier to execute? Absolute nonsense. Far more likely for it to be misdirected using a closed fist, that's why players use their open hand from close range.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 18/07/2017 14:32:41    2018678

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "when a player is taking the momentum out of a ball's trajectory and redirecting it he is essentially catching the ball, albeit momentarily."
Well if a player does that then it shouldn't be a goal, it's a free out for fouling the ball i.e. throwing the ball

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 18/07/2017 14:36:47    2018685

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "when a player is taking the momentum out of a ball's trajectory and redirecting it he is essentially catching the ball, albeit momentarily."
A trajectory doesn't have momentum, but feel free to rewrite the laws of physics. He's not 'essentially' catching the ball either. He's applying a force to the ball which increases or decreases the velocity of the ball and alters the trajectory goalbound.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 18/07/2017 14:56:57    2018696

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Mannion's goal was a closed-fisted punch, a work of beauty"
He connected with the ball with the back of his hand though.Would that be outlawed.Technically he didnt actually connect with a closed fist.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 18/07/2017 15:19:35    2018710

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Replying To AHP:  "Well if a player does that then it shouldn't be a goal, it's a free out for fouling the ball i.e. throwing the ball"
I know it should be, but it's given a blind eye

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 15:28:55    2018716

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "He connected with the ball with the back of his hand though.Would that be outlawed.Technically he didnt actually connect with a closed fist."
Technically he did, it was still his fist, front or back irrelevant

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 15:30:09    2018720

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "A trajectory doesn't have momentum, but feel free to rewrite the laws of physics. He's not 'essentially' catching the ball either. He's applying a force to the ball which increases or decreases the velocity of the ball and alters the trajectory goalbound."
if he's decreasing the momentum of the object and then applying a force to increase the momentum of the object while changing its trajectory then he is in essence catching and throwing the ball. This doesn't occur in all of the 'handslap' goals but it does in a great many instances.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 15:45:22    2018734

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Are you serious? So if a player is standing with an open goal after the keeper being taken out of it due to the last handpass across you think a close fist is easier to execute? Absolute nonsense. Far more likely for it to be misdirected using a closed fist, that's why players use their open hand from close range."
That's probably because he's throwing it

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 15:46:30    2018735

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Why not shorten the pitch, go to 11 a side, widen the nets and bring in an offside rule while we're at it lads?

The game of gaelic football has always been about good footpassing, handling and handpassing skills, and it's harder than it looks to direct the ball to the net with your hands, especially if the ball is down low and travelling at speed.

The GAA got rid of the handpassed goal in the early 80s to try to reign in the dominance great Kerry side of that era. Wasn't exactly a roaring success, was it?"
Seriously? It's one of the easiest things to do to put a ball into the goal with your hands.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2017 15:47:26    2018736

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So what if it "looks crap"? Are you suggesting that goals should only be allowed if they look pretty and require great skill? So if a high ball drops into the goalmouth and after a mad scramble, it rebounds into the net off somebody's knee or backside, it should be disallowed? There are plenty of crap looking goals scored in football, hurling (and soccer) all the time and I don't see any problem.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 18/07/2017 16:11:49    2018762

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Seriously? It's one of the easiest things to do to put a ball into the goal with your hands."
True, but it's not easy to work your way into a position where all you have to do is 'slap' the ball into the net, especially in these days of massed defences. I appreciate that it may not be viewed as a core skill, but neither is a two yard hand pass, a ten yard kick pass or an uncontested catch, but all are integral parts of our game and to start tweaking rules simply to get rid of bits some people don't like the look of would be a mistake.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 18/07/2017 16:43:40    2018789

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "That's probably because he's throwing it"
Seriously, what are you on about, an open palm or even a flick with the top of the fingers from close range is not a throw.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 18/07/2017 16:49:50    2018794

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