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Replying To Finsceal:  "Is hurling snobbery actually a thing ? Like if I say that Hurling is a better game than football am I being a snob ? Just asking.."
No, just blinkered.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 22/03/2017 15:12:54    1970010

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The Ballymachugh hurling club in Cavan is no more. Anyone there will tell you that football people at county board level & within their own club have killed it off. Gortletteragh in Leitrim have also now disbanded. Clonguish in Longford have no underage hurling teams. The objective in these counties should be to increase the number of hurling teams participating but the pattern is quite the opposite. Bringing 40 U13s into a county football development squad means that along with their club football there's little or no time (or appetite) remaining to play hurling. And that's without even bringing soccer & rugby into it.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/03/2017 15:42:30    1970021

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Couple of observations on this expanded topic.

The GAA can't 'force' hurling on people. People have to want to play the game, to promote it, to foster it. In non traditional areas, where hurling sprung up, this was the case. I remember hurling in primary school. There was a teacher from a traditional county. Teacher left. No more hurling.

There was an article a couple of weeks ago(on this site) in which someone was complaining that people who had never played were allowed to coach kids after doing the coaching course. Parents for the most part, volunteers, being told they're not wanted. How on earth are you meant to spread the game?

I like the game, and I wish I had the chance to play as a child, only managed to do so in my 20s.

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 22/03/2017 15:50:59    1970022

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Replying To Southsham:  "In Kilkenny Football is a pastime at best.
Hurling is a passion.

If the interest is not there for Football leave them be"
The opposite is true for Cavan but I would have my doubts that you'd be as understanding.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 22/03/2017 16:04:23    1970027

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Replying To keeper7:  "The Ballymachugh hurling club in Cavan is no more. Anyone there will tell you that football people at county board level & within their own club have killed it off. Gortletteragh in Leitrim have also now disbanded. Clonguish in Longford have no underage hurling teams. The objective in these counties should be to increase the number of hurling teams participating but the pattern is quite the opposite. Bringing 40 U13s into a county football development squad means that along with their club football there's little or no time (or appetite) remaining to play hurling. And that's without even bringing soccer & rugby into it."
I'm not sure Ballymachugh have underage football either. Open to correction there though.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 22/03/2017 16:18:09    1970032

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Replying To Breffni39:  "The opposite is true for Cavan but I would have my doubts that you'd be as understanding."
Can you show me how you have come to that conclusion?

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 738 - 22/03/2017 16:23:07    1970034

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Replying To Southsham:  "Can you show me how you have come to that conclusion?"
A pure hunch! Sure there's no way of proving it one way or the other. People generally have that attitude.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 22/03/2017 16:35:23    1970037

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Replying To Breffni39:  "I'm not sure Ballymachugh have underage football either. Open to correction there though."
They do.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/03/2017 16:35:34    1970039

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Replying To southerncat79:  "Hurling is the National Sport of Ireland & here's one for you NOT G FOOTBALL,it never was & to this day still cannot be proved that it's even Irish ,Fermanagh have over 20 clubs & only 1 play Hurling ,50 plus clubs in Tyrone only 5 play hurling ,Leitrim 4 Hurling clubs & 5 in Sligo & Louth ,4 in Longford,Mayo ,Irelands 3rd biggest county have between 2-6 clubs at best Hurling with the same hurling final every year between Tooreen & Ballyhaunis ,Hurling in South Kildare & North Roscommon is non existent & North Carlowfor that matter ,Gaelic Football is not Irish but Hurling is ,the Gaa should pressurise these counties to have all clubs participate in the hurling championships"
Wtf, how is Gaelic football not Irish.

That's one of the most deranged things I've ever read on here. That's some achievement.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/03/2017 16:45:37    1970043

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Replying To Breffni39:  "A pure hunch! Sure there's no way of proving it one way or the other. People generally have that attitude."
Apure hunch!!!
We'll leave that at that so

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 738 - 22/03/2017 17:09:38    1970055

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Replying To Southsham:  "Apure hunch!!!
We'll leave that at that so"
Honestly though, do you think if Cavan people aren't interested in hurling then leave them be?

Most people seem to disagree and more should be done to promote the game, maybe you're different.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 22/03/2017 17:59:33    1970080

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I find it funny how lads give out about the Kilkenny championships being run off quick. I doubt it's run off any quicker than the 3 game Mayo Hurling championship, or the 3 game Leitrim championship, the 3 game Tyrone championship,the 2 game Longford Hurling Championship or the 0 game Fermanagh Hurling championship.

If you want to play football in Kilkenny there's loads of clubs and you'll get a lot of games. If you want to play hurling in north Leinster/Connacht/south Ulster you could easily have to travel half way across the county to find a club who'll play maybe a handful of games a year.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1644 - 22/03/2017 18:09:50    1970085

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There are 3 players from North Tipperary now on the starting 15 of our Senior team. The 3 clubs usually play in a Junior Championship after the hurling has finished which is about middle of October. I've seen the North Tipperary football junior championship run off in 2-3 weeks!!
There is zero interest in North Tipperary football yet players come through to inter county standard.
I preferred football myself growing up as I wasn't given much time on the pitch with a hurley until I was about 16 when you could see sheer volume drop in players going to other codes etc.
I know 2 lads from Kilkenny who live in Cork one county and one city both play football with the local clubs their involved in. I have nothing against any county concentrating on either sport given the financial monies now needed to fund two teams us well in advance of a million plus.
When you look at England for example with Rugby all the top 12 teams probably bar Newcastle from memory are way down south of the country.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 22/03/2017 19:55:17    1970124

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Honestly though, do you think if Cavan people aren't interested in hurling then leave them be?

Most people seem to disagree and more should be done to promote the game, maybe you're different."
Strange the way camógie is traditionally quite popular in Cavan then, no? Surely that could be tapped into for starters if you really wanted to improve the state of hurling in the county?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/03/2017 00:04:06    1970233

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Honestly though, do you think if Cavan people aren't interested in hurling then leave them be?

Most people seem to disagree and more should be done to promote the game, maybe you're different."
Different - That's one of the better ones I have been called in my time :)

But I do not see much of a problem in Hurling or Football not being taken seriously in areas where they are not popular.

Look back a 100 years. Its more or less the same areas that have a preference in either code.

I will say one thing about Football in Kilkenny, I know a lad who plays with Railyard there Co Champions.
The standard of Football may be crap, but they get plenty of games and they are happy with that.

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 738 - 23/03/2017 13:36:55    1970391

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Replying To Southsham:  "Different - That's one of the better ones I have been called in my time :)

But I do not see much of a problem in Hurling or Football not being taken seriously in areas where they are not popular.

Look back a 100 years. Its more or less the same areas that have a preference in either code.

I will say one thing about Football in Kilkenny, I know a lad who plays with Railyard there Co Champions.
The standard of Football may be crap, but they get plenty of games and they are happy with that."
Very difficult to start hurling or even football in a new parish or county unless there is a tradition or die hard hurling or football men to promote the game.
Years ago that would of been a priest or teacher coming from another county .
Cuala in upper class d4 Dublin is a modern example but very difficult to repeat in rural counties.
This happened where country people moved to the city and prospered but kept their rural traditions that survived from grandfather to grandchild.
Great article in last week's indo from David McWilliams explaining how small farmers from Galway in the 50s became judges and doctors of today living in Dalkey but still playing hurling not rugby.

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 23/03/2017 14:22:57    1970405

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I will say one thing about Football in Kilkenny, I know a lad who plays with Railyard there Co Champions.
The standard of Football may be crap, but they get plenty of games and they are happy with that.

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts:661 - 23/03/2017 13:36:55

And at the end of the day isn't that what it's supposed to be all about.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/03/2017 14:25:27    1970407

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "I find it funny how lads give out about the Kilkenny championships being run off quick. I doubt it's run off any quicker than the 3 game Mayo Hurling championship, or the 3 game Leitrim championship, the 3 game Tyrone championship,the 2 game Longford Hurling Championship or the 0 game Fermanagh Hurling championship.

If you want to play football in Kilkenny there's loads of clubs and you'll get a lot of games. If you want to play hurling in north Leinster/Connacht/south Ulster you could easily have to travel half way across the county to find a club who'll play maybe a handful of games a year."
Very difficult to start hurling or even football in a new parish or county unless there is a tradition or die hard hurling or football men to promote the game.
Years ago that would of been a priest or teacher coming from another county .
Cuala in upper class d4 Dublin is a modern example but very difficult to repeat in rural counties.
This happened where country people moved to the city and prospered but kept their rural traditions that survived from grandfather to grandchild.
Great article in last week's indo from David McWilliams explaining how small farmers from Galway in the 50s became judges and doctors of today living in Dalkey but still playing hurling not rugby.
hard to see die hard hurling men moving to cavan in any great numbers...

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 23/03/2017 14:31:00    1970411

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Replying To The Real 1944:  "See there on the main page that they are already at semi final stage, just getting football out of the way before hurling kicks in. Hate seeing this every year and why they can get away with it. Kilkenny is a much bigger county than most, has a "city" and should be making some kind of effort to be better at football. Their best & only club that seems interested in football Railyard try to better themselves & play in Division 2 of the Carlow league. Can't see why the other teams in the semi final can't join leagues in Waterford/Tipp/Wexford/Laois or wherever they are closest to. Put them in from u-12 level and let them play at a half decent standard all the way up. Instead of 99% going with hurling, might get a few playing football instead.
I dunno, but just hate seeing such a big county ruling out football, while smaller counties like Offaly, Laois, Carlow, Westmeath etc try to keep battling away on 2 fronts."
and wexford dont forget are a duel county but very hard to be a master of both...

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 23/03/2017 14:37:56    1970417

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Only one way to settle this argument once and for all. Get the Cavan hurlers and Kilkenny footballers into a field together, and let them play one half of hurling and one half of football. Whoever comes out on top after 60 minutes (or 70 if they're feeling confident) gets to convert the other county to their preferred sport of choice, banning the other code for all eternity.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1032 - 23/03/2017 23:11:49    1970573

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