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Usual suspects predictably attacking tg4 and their native language again I see. bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 13/04/2017 12:01:25 1979037 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "It would increase viewership how? Are you telling me the national league final NEEDS to be available in English before someone will watch ? Just as a matter of interest when you attend a club game what language do you watch it in ?" Excellent post ;) The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 13/04/2017 12:02:48 1979038 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Do you think everyone in Ireland who watches GAA on TV understand Irish and could follow the commentary in Irish? Premier Sports broadcast to Irish expats, some GAA games, like last Sunday's final, outside Ireland using the TG4 stream with commentary in English. Why didn't they broadcast in Irish ? TG4 isn't exclusively showing programmes in Irish either. Plenty of English programmes. And also conduct plenty of post-match interviews in English as all, probably a small percentage, players and management, don't speak Irish." Again you are 100% correct. I think with the responses from some going in total "fake news" mode that we have not only made the argument but proven it. Btw I didn't watch the finals even though I was at home, I listened on radio and watched league Sunday that night. If games had option of red button I would have watched both. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 12:12:28 1979042 Link
The simple point here is that people who do not speak the language, but enjoy watching GAA (whether they are casual watchers or die hard GAA people involved in their clubs etc.) would prefer to watch the games with commentary they are able to understand. I would think that the vast majority of people watching games would fall into that category (I would dispute the 1.7 million figure in the census who say they speak Irish... unless that is verified by a test of some description, I don't think it stands up). So many red herrings here it is crazy. I'm not against TG4 in any way, good luck to them and good luck to people who speak and enjoy the Irish language. TG4's coverage of u21/league / club games has shown that they are a viable broadcasting product. I assume it will only be a matter of time before their rights come under pressure from other English language stations. If that happens, I hope TG4 get to keep the games under a separate Irish language clause or something, but I'd prefer to watch the games in English. Best solution to all this would be for GAA to create their own channel, which caters to both languages, with streaming services to cover more than one game at a time, and digital database of all old games which could be streamed on demand... I'd pay for that! himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 13/04/2017 12:42:45 1979052 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "If you don't know what they are saying how to you know its not better than RTE etc? I think we all watch enough football to how what's happening without commentary." You've answered your own question, the very fact that I know what they're saying on the other channels make them better than TG4. I agree you don't need a commentator to know what's going on, but if you're going to watch a game with the sound on, it's usually better to watch it in a language you understand. Most people in Ireland understand English, not near as many understand Irish. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/04/2017 12:59:57 1979055 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Excellent because it agrees with your posts!!!!!" Nah, it was just a great post in fairness :-) Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/04/2017 13:00:37 1979056 Link
Replying To Htaem: "That's not very inspiring stuff baire, younger people and retired people often like to travel and learning a second language that is used by millions of people as a first language is never any harm. Also you could easily ask the same question of Irish, how useful is irish to irish people who want to stay in their own country? Not many people speak it or are even able to speak it on a day to day basis, infact you're probably better off learning Polish these days, given the amount of Polish people living here." I wasn't the one who brought up the 'practical' use of a language. My answer to that is that knowledge of Irish for someone living in Ireland, is far more useful than fluency in either French or Spanish. Spanish people come here to improve their English not to hear Irish people making an attempt at speaking Spanish. Apart from the English language, most Irish people's understanding of Irish is far greater than any other second language but they don't have the confidence to speak it and that's understandable. Why are the Poles who live in Ireland so proud of their own language and speak it amongst themselves? You don't hear them saying, we're living in an English speaking country, Polish is no use here! How come the Spanish, French and every other race in Europe are so appreciative of their own language and culture whilst a section of the Irish population is still hostile towards Irish? The coloniser teaches its subjects to despise their own language and culture, to view themselves as inferior. One would hope that Irish people at this stage would have got out of that post-colonial mindset of despising the language and culture of their ancestors, but obviously the Brits' job of colonisation in Ireland was quite thorough. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 13/04/2017 13:02:46 1979058 Link
I'm shocked by the negative attitude towards the Irish language here on a 'gaelic' games forum. It makes no sense. The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. The Meath posters especially. Come on lads, Royal Meath, Tara, your heritage. I'm sure you've read Sean Boylan's bio and his father's role in the setting up of the state? How proud Sean is of the Irish language. 'To lose your native tongue, and learn that of an alien, is the worst badge of conquest - it is the chain on the soul.' Thomas Davis. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 13/04/2017 13:20:40 1979066 Link
Replying To Laois76: "I'm shocked by the negative attitude towards the Irish language here on a 'gaelic' games forum. It makes no sense. The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. The Meath posters especially. Come on lads, Royal Meath, Tara, your heritage. I'm sure you've read Sean Boylan's bio and his father's role in the setting up of the state? How proud Sean is of the Irish language. 'To lose your native tongue, and learn that of an alien, is the worst badge of conquest - it is the chain on the soul.' Thomas Davis." The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. Could not disagree more. GAA is a broad church with many different parts. Just because someone likes Football and/or Hurling does not mean they need to have the Irish language inflicted on them as a rule. himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 13/04/2017 13:29:00 1979073 Link
Replying To himachechy: " The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. Could not disagree more. GAA is a broad church with many different parts. Just because someone likes Football and/or Hurling does not mean they need to have the Irish language inflicted on them as a rule." 'Inflicted'! If commentary as gaeilge is an affliction you're life must be painful! Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 13/04/2017 14:08:13 1979092 Link
Replying To baire: "I wasn't the one who brought up the 'practical' use of a language. My answer to that is that knowledge of Irish for someone living in Ireland, is far more useful than fluency in either French or Spanish. Spanish people come here to improve their English not to hear Irish people making an attempt at speaking Spanish. Apart from the English language, most Irish people's understanding of Irish is far greater than any other second language but they don't have the confidence to speak it and that's understandable. Why are the Poles who live in Ireland so proud of their own language and speak it amongst themselves? You don't hear them saying, we're living in an English speaking country, Polish is no use here! How come the Spanish, French and every other race in Europe are so appreciative of their own language and culture whilst a section of the Irish population is still hostile towards Irish? The coloniser teaches its subjects to despise their own language and culture, to view themselves as inferior. One would hope that Irish people at this stage would have got out of that post-colonial mindset of despising the language and culture of their ancestors, but obviously the Brits' job of colonisation in Ireland was quite thorough." I disagree with all the above, especially the last bit about colonisers, which I found particularly cringeworthy. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/04/2017 14:17:49 1979098 Link
Inflicted dhia sábhail. If you've such a problem just don't watch the games on TG4 and lobby RTE or TV3 to provide coverage. It can be your own little protest against this terrible language. Don't understand why TG4 should use funding to accommodate English speakers. Do RTE have a red button option on their commentary? I personally find it very hard to enjoy the games when I have to listen to certain commentators speaking a foreign language and getting all excited and such. It's really not fair that I have to be subjected to that. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 13/04/2017 14:24:22 1979101 Link
Replying To Laois76: "I'm shocked by the negative attitude towards the Irish language here on a 'gaelic' games forum. It makes no sense. The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. The Meath posters especially. Come on lads, Royal Meath, Tara, your heritage. I'm sure you've read Sean Boylan's bio and his father's role in the setting up of the state? How proud Sean is of the Irish language. 'To lose your native tongue, and learn that of an alien, is the worst badge of conquest - it is the chain on the soul.' Thomas Davis." I disagree I have to say, I love our national sports and regularly attend games but the irish language doesn't come into it for me. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/04/2017 14:32:29 1979103 Link
Like it or lump it the Irish language is far more a badge of national identity than most of what passes for gaelic football these days. I'd prefer my gaeilge to be níos fearr than to to be able to pass backwards and laterally with a round ball. Michael o Coileain, Sean MacEoin, Padraig MacPiarais, ‎Seán Ó Treasaigh etc must be turning in their graves. Men who fought for an Ireland that was not merely free but gaelic aswell, not merely gaelic but free. For what died the sons of '16 was it lateral hand passing?! Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 13/04/2017 14:35:51 1979105 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I disagree with all the above, especially the last bit about colonisers, which I found particularly cringeworthy." Of course you disagree. Not much of an argument there, cringeworthy! Close to the bone I'd say. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 13/04/2017 14:57:47 1979110 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Fada?" Feiceann me, Feiceann tu, Thats The Truth says I ta you. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/04/2017 15:06:50 1979115 Link
Replying To Htaem: "You've answered your own question, the very fact that I know what they're saying on the other channels make them better than TG4. I agree you don't need a commentator to know what's going on, but if you're going to watch a game with the sound on, it's usually better to watch it in a language you understand. Most people in Ireland understand English, not near as many understand Irish." You be no good with mobdro or kodi box as most streams are in Arabic or Chinese hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/04/2017 15:09:55 1979116 Link
Replying To Laois76: "I'm shocked by the negative attitude towards the Irish language here on a 'gaelic' games forum. It makes no sense. The gaa is a cultural movement the games and language go in tandem. The Meath posters especially. Come on lads, Royal Meath, Tara, your heritage. I'm sure you've read Sean Boylan's bio and his father's role in the setting up of the state? How proud Sean is of the Irish language. 'To lose your native tongue, and learn that of an alien, is the worst badge of conquest - it is the chain on the soul.' Thomas Davis." Firstly I go to football matches, have played football, have and still do a little bit of coaching in football, this may come as a surprise to you, but I do it for the love of the sport, not to reaffirm my irisness, I can look at my passport for that, I am not insecure in my national identity, (some of it embarrasses me) but I like to think I live in a republic with secular views and appreciations for modern society. . However I will give you a slight history lesson, my grandad fought in the war of independence, and indeed would have known sean boylans father, his son my uncle joined the British army (of which his father fought against) to fight the against fascism in Europe. Sean Boylan is a life Long member of fg, (which I'm sure appalling to you) We don't live in the past , we speak a language that has been beneficial to us in trade (would google, Microsoft Intel etc etc etc etc) be in Ireland if we spoke Irish only? Of course not. My grandfather and seans father won our independence to speak whatever language we choose to, not to be dictated to by anyone. That's REAL freedom. Finally go to a football match for the enjoyment of sport and not to reaffirm some sort of Irish been cause of a inferiority complex. Trust me you will enjoy the games all the more. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 16:11:45 1979147 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I disagree I have to say, I love our national sports and regularly attend games but the irish language doesn't come into it for me." I know, seemingly their is a portion of gaa people who are only involved in it for Irish language etc. Maybe they be better off served and the games themselves if it was for love of the sport like we are. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 16:14:07 1979148 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I disagree with all the above, especially the last bit about colonisers, which I found particularly cringeworthy." Yeah I was embarrassed just reading it royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 16:15:14 1979150 Link