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Replying To GreenandRed: "They'd have to pay for a channel to broadcast the English commentary through. I think it's Comreg they'd have to pay." Not as far as I am aware, duel commentary is permissible once its the same stream, its not like a separate channel or game, ie the way bbc do Wimbledon. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/04/2017 17:50:23 1978529 Link
Were it not for the Irish language and it being the first official language, and were it not for those who campaigned for an Irish language TV station, there would be no TG4. If there were no TG4 there would be no GAA club championships or leagues games shown on television not to mention all the other great sports programmes on TG4. The main aim of the GAA originally was to promote gaelic games and the Irish language, hence the name, Gaelic AA. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 11/04/2017 21:56:51 1978595 Link
Replying To baire: "Were it not for the Irish language and it being the first official language, and were it not for those who campaigned for an Irish language TV station, there would be no TG4. If there were no TG4 there would be no GAA club championships or leagues games shown on television not to mention all the other great sports programmes on TG4. The main aim of the GAA originally was to promote gaelic games and the Irish language, hence the name, Gaelic AA." Spot on baire The eastenders and xfactor generations are loosing the ability to distinguish between Ireland and Britain hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/04/2017 23:08:18 1978616 Link
TG4 is the GAA channel I love their presentation the games they show the diversity of competitions they've always lightened up my front room. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 11/04/2017 23:26:48 1978623 Link
Replying To baire: "Were it not for the Irish language and it being the first official language, and were it not for those who campaigned for an Irish language TV station, there would be no TG4. If there were no TG4 there would be no GAA club championships or leagues games shown on television not to mention all the other great sports programmes on TG4. The main aim of the GAA originally was to promote gaelic games and the Irish language, hence the name, Gaelic AA." Well then both the gaa and tg4 have failed spectacularly. Again I point to the latest census. I have no problem with a small minority who can grasp what they saying having a channel with that language, be it Irish Arabic or mandarin. But to have a option for others to listen in the 99% spoken language of the rest of us. No one is asking for tg4 to go English speaking, just allow for a red button. Again it is my and others license fee and taxes which pay for this. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2017 06:32:10 1978643 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "I watched a rugby match last year on Welsh TV & they had an option of either Welsh or English through the red button. TG4 could use the same system I'm sure." Muck I can't remember where I read it but it very expensive to set up and run a red button service. Also the same piece explained that from a technological side it is also difficult with the about of data it uses. And that was the BBC red button, a massive company. TG4 are tiny in comparison so I would say it's very difficult. I don't mind the Irish, kinda getting used to it. Better than not seeing it at all The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 12/04/2017 08:15:10 1978659 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I always hear this old chestnut of 'TG4 coverage is great, fairplay to them', but what makes it great? I mean the show to game alright, that's grand, but so does RTE, Eir, Sky etc etc. All I want to see is the game and preferably in a language I understand, which is not Irish! Ps, no I'm not going to learn a language I have no interest in just so I can understand an Irish commentator, seriously life is busy enough, I have too much shít on for that!" None of them channels show club championships, schools, u21 etc. We won't see it otherwise The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 12/04/2017 08:42:38 1978667 Link
Again it is my and others license fee and taxes which pay for this The quote used to end all arguments , What does that quote actually mean ??? Its a cliché that's thrown out right with the baby rattler when a spoilt adult isn't getting their own way. Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/04/2017 08:45:26 1978668 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Well then both the gaa and tg4 have failed spectacularly. Again I point to the latest census. I have no problem with a small minority who can grasp what they saying having a channel with that language, be it Irish Arabic or mandarin. But to have a option for others to listen in the 99% spoken language of the rest of us. No one is asking for tg4 to go English speaking, just allow for a red button. Again it is my and others license fee and taxes which pay for this." TG4 are delivering fantastic Gaelic Games coverage on a shoestring budget, especially in their coverage of club games. If there was no TG4 coverage we would not get to see any of these games at all. Maybe you don't recall how games were covered pre TG4? RTE showed very little and they were the only outlet for tv coverage of gaelic games. the coverage of last weekends league finals was outstanding and TG4 shows more games than RTE, SKY or eir. The commentary in irish is not an issue and I don't need a commentator to tell me if what i'm watching is good or not anyway! totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 920 - 12/04/2017 08:52:58 1978671 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Well then both the gaa and tg4 have failed spectacularly. Again I point to the latest census. I have no problem with a small minority who can grasp what they saying having a channel with that language, be it Irish Arabic or mandarin. But to have a option for others to listen in the 99% spoken language of the rest of us. No one is asking for tg4 to go English speaking, just allow for a red button. Again it is my and others license fee and taxes which pay for this." Do you have an issue paying taxes for things you don't use in general? That's the whole concept you realise. You know my license fee pays for Fair City, it's an absolute outrage really. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 12/04/2017 08:55:34 1978672 Link
"The commentary in irish is not an issue and I don't need a commentator to tell me if what i'm watching is good or not anyway!" Would you accept that other people might enjoy some commentary in a language they understand? I don't get the argument either that only for TG4 that we wouldn't see any club games/ league/ u21s. I think there is a product there and if they were not showing it then someone else would. I think there is a lot of politics at play here. RTE use TG4 as a dumping ground for showing matches as they don't want to be accused of showing too much sport, GAA are happy for TG4 to show games so they can be seen to be supporting the language and both combined gives TG4 more reason to exist. Meanwhile its the usual poor Joe who just wants to watch a few matches in a language he understands that loses out... himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 12/04/2017 09:59:39 1978703 Link
Royal Dunne should be aware that the 2016 census stated that 1.7 million people are able to speak the Irish language. The number of speakers have increased dramatically in the last 70 years. The Irish language is taught in many foreign countries, for example in 12 Universities across Canada. In Ireland there is the growth of the Gaelscoileanna and the great demand for places in these schools. TG4 has done great work to foster the Irish language and to bring it into our living rooms each day. There is also a huge demand to learn the Irish language via the internet. If Royal Dunne has a problem with the Irish Language, he should tune into the english language stations and agitate with those stations that the matches he wants to see are transmitted. His comments in regard to taxes and license fees are pathetic. Tír gan teanga is tír gan anam. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 12/04/2017 11:54:29 1978762 Link
Replying To fainleog: "Royal Dunne should be aware that the 2016 census stated that 1.7 million people are able to speak the Irish language. The number of speakers have increased dramatically in the last 70 years. The Irish language is taught in many foreign countries, for example in 12 Universities across Canada. In Ireland there is the growth of the Gaelscoileanna and the great demand for places in these schools. TG4 has done great work to foster the Irish language and to bring it into our living rooms each day. There is also a huge demand to learn the Irish language via the internet. If Royal Dunne has a problem with the Irish Language, he should tune into the english language stations and agitate with those stations that the matches he wants to see are transmitted. His comments in regard to taxes and license fees are pathetic. Tír gan teanga is tír gan anam." It's a forum and RoyalDunne's just posting his opinion same as anyone can post their's. Whether you agree or not that's up to you. TG4 did have a red button option to show rugby concurrently with election coverage last year so, while they were showing two different games as Gaeilge, the red button is not new to them. Probably not so cheap to do I think but I've no idea. I don't mind watching games in Irish but a red button option for commentary in English could be trialled to see if it brings in more viewers and increase ad revenue. Premier Sports are already broadcasting TG4 streams with commentary in English outside Ireland. link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7359 - 12/04/2017 15:51:31 1978841 Link
The license fee payers were subjected to nine and a half hours straight of rugby on rte last month on one day. Now that's something to object to mr Dunne I wish I had the Arabic option on demand hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 18:05:51 1978876 Link
Replying To totalrecall: "TG4 are delivering fantastic Gaelic Games coverage on a shoestring budget, especially in their coverage of club games. If there was no TG4 coverage we would not get to see any of these games at all. Maybe you don't recall how games were covered pre TG4? RTE showed very little and they were the only outlet for tv coverage of gaelic games. the coverage of last weekends league finals was outstanding and TG4 shows more games than RTE, SKY or eir. The commentary in irish is not an issue and I don't need a commentator to tell me if what i'm watching is good or not anyway!" Maybe you don't know but I played football pre Boylan time in Meath so I am well aware of the coverage. And I rather none than have to listen to tg4 royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2017 18:23:31 1978882 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Again it is my and others license fee and taxes which pay for this The quote used to end all arguments , What does that quote actually mean ??? Its a cliché that's thrown out right with the baby rattler when a spoilt adult isn't getting their own way." A significant portion of my licence fee goes to tg4, and it is heavily subsidised (unlike tv3) by government grants funded by all tax payers mine included, what's so hard to grasp????? royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2017 18:25:30 1978883 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "A significant portion of my licence fee goes to tg4, and it is heavily subsidised (unlike tv3) by government grants funded by all tax payers mine included, what's so hard to grasp?????" Even if a viewer has only minimal Irish, the terms can usually be understood from the context - it took a while to grasp rugby, but because "clibirt" and "síneadh amach" were only said during set pieces, it became clear what they stood for, and GAA is less complex in that regard. Good to see TG4 streaming U21 games on their website also. anciarraioch82 (Kerry) - Posts: 33 - 12/04/2017 18:43:15 1978890 Link
Replying To himachechy: ""The commentary in irish is not an issue and I don't need a commentator to tell me if what i'm watching is good or not anyway!" Would you accept that other people might enjoy some commentary in a language they understand? I don't get the argument either that only for TG4 that we wouldn't see any club games/ league/ u21s. I think there is a product there and if they were not showing it then someone else would. I think there is a lot of politics at play here. RTE use TG4 as a dumping ground for showing matches as they don't want to be accused of showing too much sport, GAA are happy for TG4 to show games so they can be seen to be supporting the language and both combined gives TG4 more reason to exist. Meanwhile its the usual poor Joe who just wants to watch a few matches in a language he understands that loses out..." Well said. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2017 20:11:14 1978912 Link
It's a sad state of affairs alright when poor joe who has spent 12 years or more learning a language in school and can't understand a simple commentary of a Gaelic match on tv. Where would you get it! The wonderful monoglots of post-colonial Ireland! baire (Galway) - Posts: 1812 - 12/04/2017 21:02:01 1978922 Link
Replying To baire: "It's a sad state of affairs alright when poor joe who has spent 12 years or more learning a language in school and can't understand a simple commentary of a Gaelic match on tv. Where would you get it! The wonderful monoglots of post-colonial Ireland!" It's also a sad state of affairs that irish gets rammed down our throats in school for 12 years when we could be learning second languages with more practical uses such as French or Spanish etc. But that aside, I've yet to see a logical argument as to how TG4 do a better job than RTE, Sky or Eir, I couldn't care less about their budget or the variety of games they're showing (these are side arguments). Fact of the matter is TG4 broadcast the games in a language that few Irish people use on a day to day basis, how is this better than broadcasting the games in English? (the language most of us use). Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/04/2017 22:05:44 1978946 Link