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OK, this is MY take on passion (sports)
Putting the body on the line for your team
Loyalty to your jersey hence putting your body on the line, how is a player who jumps from club to club supposed to feel any loyalty to anyone?
Sitting on the bench for most of the season without the comfort of 100,000s still being lodged in your bank account
Roy Keane had passion, so did Gerrard (he never had to move club which helped) Most of them would be more concerned about their hair style being tossed or how they performed as an individual on the pitch as opposed to how they assisted their team.
Just my take on it, I'm sure you have yours.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts:5626 - 12/03/2017 18:34:04 Thats just childish gibberish and nonsense.
Was Robbie Keane passionate as a player as by your standards of him playing for 10 clubs in a career he isnt passionate.
Your definition is nonsense and undefendable. Loyalty to a jersey/team/club doesnt make you more passionate. There is 000s of rugby and GAA players much more concerned with how they perform as an individual than how they assisted their team
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No player makes it to the premierleague without incedible commitment, dedication, sacrifice and passion. It is the most competitive sport in the world. Nonsense to suggest otherwise
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/03/2017 19:23:15
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Each to their own lads, to call my theory nonsense is your right, so well done on that.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 12/03/2017 19:27:01
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There's def passion in soccer
You don't see that amount of cheating in almost every game for no good reason
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 12/03/2017 19:32:40
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And Ormondbannerman, I'd lie low on comments being childish (nonsense I have no problem with) which mine we'rent, when a certain poster you know very well has a tantrum over his/her psuedonym not being spelled to the letter.
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Replying To realdub: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "Touche cliche whatever you think yourself lad. I don't see or feel it, each to their own sure I'm probably completely wrong, but this being a forum, I am entitled to say what I think, just as you are.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts:5625 - 11/03/2017 17:47:20you are perfectly entitled to say what you like but care to expand on how exactly they dont show passion.. How is there no passion in premier league? What is passion?" OK, this is MY take on passion (sports) Putting the body on the line for your team Loyalty to your jersey hence putting your body on the line, how is a player who jumps from club to club supposed to feel any loyalty to anyone? Sitting on the bench for most of the season without the comfort of 100,000s still being lodged in your bank account Roy Keane had passion, so did Gerrard (he never had to move club which helped) Most of them would be more concerned about their hair style being tossed or how they performed as an individual on the pitch as opposed to how they assisted their team. Just my take on it, I'm sure you have yours."
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7363 - 12/03/2017 20:12:12
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Arsenal midfielder Mesut Ozil, 28, and forward Alexis Sanchez, 28, are demanding wages in line with midfielder Paul Pogba's £290,000-a-week salary at Manchester United. (London Evening Standard)
Now that's passion
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 13/03/2017 10:59:47
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The main problem with the proposal is that 32 professional teams in GAA is completely unsustainable. 10 professional Football teams would be sustainable. I don't think Hurling is near ready to go pro yet.
I wrote about the future of GAA as I see it possibly in the future on my blog: https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com ...
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/03/2017 11:09:38
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Professionalism is never going to happen as the GAA organisation is way too small..
Is a 19 year old going to turn professional for xk per week to retire at 31/32 with no job?
What happens to the so called professional that looses his place after 2 years? Does he transfer to London or New York? Or sign on?
The best that will happen is maybe a marked increase in expenses.. mileage ect.
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 13/03/2017 11:39:09
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For it to work some counties will have to merge, i wouldnt have anymore than 12 or 16 teams
TrevorPhillips (Cork) - Posts: 28 - 13/03/2017 11:48:57
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Professionalism is never going to happen as the GAA organisation is way too small..
Is a 19 year old going to turn professional for xk per week to retire at 31/32 with no job?
What happens to the so called professional that looses his place after 2 years? Does he transfer to London or New York? Or sign on?
The best that will happen is maybe a marked increase in expenses.. mileage ect.
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:963 - 13/03/2017 11:39:09Who says professionalism means they retire at 32 with no job. Players will still go to college and study and work afterwards if they feel they have to/must. No GAA player will earn what the top rugby players do and all the rugby players have to work after they retire as the money isnt big enough to live off/not work ever again.
GAA players, gaelic and especially hurling, will simply go to University and study and if make pro squad while still at 3rd level they do like athletes in a lot of sports they tailor their degree around their sport/training.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Professionalism is never going to happen as the GAA organisation is way too small..
Is a 19 year old going to turn professional for xk per week to retire at 31/32 with no job?
What happens to the so called professional that looses his place after 2 years? Does he transfer to London or New York? Or sign on?
The best that will happen is maybe a marked increase in expenses.. mileage ect.
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:963 - 13/03/2017 11:39:09Who says professionalism means they retire at 32 with no job. Players will still go to college and study and work afterwards if they feel they have to/must. No GAA player will earn what the top rugby players do and all the rugby players have to work after they retire as the money isnt big enough to live off/not work ever again.
GAA players, gaelic and especially hurling, will simply go to University and study and if make pro squad while still at 3rd level they do like athletes in a lot of sports they tailor their degree around their sport/training." What about the player who doesn't go to college? The farmer.. the carpenter..
your living in some bible if you think the GAA are going to go professional ..
They are money grabbers not spenders!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 13/03/2017 14:32:50
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What about the player who doesn't go to college? The farmer.. the carpenter..
your living in some bible if you think the GAA are going to go professional ..
They are money grabbers not spenders!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:964 - 13/03/2017 14:32:50 They learn other skills, can still use these skills in other ways. GAA could go pro for the top 30 players per squad in some form(be that small time contracts for some players which would be part time, more full time contracts for bigger players - have individuals sponsoring each player to help cover costs - thats how many pro teams help cover costs) if it really wanted to
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "What about the player who doesn't go to college? The farmer.. the carpenter..
your living in some bible if you think the GAA are going to go professional ..
They are money grabbers not spenders!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:964 - 13/03/2017 14:32:50 They learn other skills, can still use these skills in other ways. GAA could go pro for the top 30 players per squad in some form(be that small time contracts for some players which would be part time, more full time contracts for bigger players - have individuals sponsoring each player to help cover costs - thats how many pro teams help cover costs) if it really wanted to" Semi pro would do no harm at all as i dont think full pro would work or the players would really want it...
What harm would it be to reward the players for their commitment; would go a long way to pay college bills and help with mortgage payments for a young couple getting married.
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 13/03/2017 18:59:43
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "What about the player who doesn't go to college? The farmer.. the carpenter..
your living in some bible if you think the GAA are going to go professional ..
They are money grabbers not spenders!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:964 - 13/03/2017 14:32:50 They learn other skills, can still use these skills in other ways. GAA could go pro for the top 30 players per squad in some form(be that small time contracts for some players which would be part time, more full time contracts for bigger players - have individuals sponsoring each player to help cover costs - thats how many pro teams help cover costs) if it really wanted to" That sounds a bit close to an individual 'owning' a player - hints of slave trade
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 13/03/2017 23:26:47
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IMO we are now almost at the pinnacle
It's unlikely that the current standard of play is going to increase by much more
There's only so far amateur sports men/women can push their bodies and personal lives
So really in the current model the only way is down from here on in
Unless there is change, I just cant see our sports progressing, we could be watching the game at it's highest point
We'll plateau soon enough and then you could possibly see standards start dropping, there's already evidence of this with once traditionally strong GAA counties falling away
So how do we combat against that, and continue to raise the bar?
Not sure if it's possible.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 14/03/2017 12:51:56
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "OK, this is MY take on passion (sports)
Putting the body on the line for your team
Loyalty to your jersey hence putting your body on the line, how is a player who jumps from club to club supposed to feel any loyalty to anyone?
Sitting on the bench for most of the season without the comfort of 100,000s still being lodged in your bank account
Roy Keane had passion, so did Gerrard (he never had to move club which helped) Most of them would be more concerned about their hair style being tossed or how they performed as an individual on the pitch as opposed to how they assisted their team.
Just my take on it, I'm sure you have yours.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts:5626 - 12/03/2017 18:34:04 Thats just childish gibberish and nonsense.
Was Robbie Keane passionate as a player as by your standards of him playing for 10 clubs in a career he isnt passionate.
Your definition is nonsense and undefendable. Loyalty to a jersey/team/club doesnt make you more passionate. There is 000s of rugby and GAA players much more concerned with how they perform as an individual than how they assisted their team" Well theyre playing the wrong games.
I love to see the passion of soccer players particularly when they kiss their badge.
I mean how could anyone dispute their passion and loyalty when doing that until they get paid more money elsewhere to kiss another more expensive badge!
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That sounds a bit close to an individual 'owning' a player - hints of slave trad
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:671 - 13/03/2017 23:26:47no it doesnt.. Its the way lots of teams help give players a top up in wage to make it better. Its win win for everyone. Player gets a sponsorship deal and extra income. Company gets a well known brand ambassador
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/03/2017 21:42:50
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as a suggestion how would people feel about inter county players getting say €200 per championship match and say €50 for league on top of their travel. -now i havent done any cost benefit analysis or anything like that . Annoys me to think when i go to games and see everybody involved getting paid bar the players.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 14/03/2017 23:15:01
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Replying To janesboro: "as a suggestion how would people feel about inter county players getting say €200 per championship match and say €50 for league on top of their travel. -now i havent done any cost benefit analysis or anything like that . Annoys me to think when i go to games and see everybody involved getting paid bar the players." We have an inter county player in my club , do you know how many people were involved in my club in making him the player he is today , it was done by volunteers , who don't get paid , who never get to tog out in HQ , they just get to beam with pride when he takes to the field , players not getting paid for their efforts , I don't ever want to see a lad out of pocket (expenses mileage ) but if coaches were turning lads into paid players sooner or later it will come down to what's in it for them.
Nobody seems to want to do the sums , we live in an equal society see Murifield yesterday , so I take it we are all in favour of Ladies Footballers and Camogie players getting paid , How much do we intend to pay the semi professional in London ?
Should a player in Leitrim Wicklow be paid the same basic as a player in Kerry Dublin , a hurler in Meath get the same as a Kilkenny hurler ? should it be performance result based ?
Open to replies to anyone but Ormo
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/03/2017 11:15:43
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