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Replying To perfect10: "love hurling,love football,which i prefer at any one time depends on which is being played better,at the moment hurling but that has changed over time.
what do people think of what tony kelly said today?is it time to disband the provincial championships,have a super 12 and go hell for leather for the liam mccarthy?" Tony kelly has made a lot of sense.. do you think the munster teams really care bout a munster title, waterford want an all ireland as do tipp and limerick.
Cork won munster in 2013 but clare the big price, who is remembered???
8 to 10 team super championship in three divisions with relegation of maybe two teams.
Sex it up with good promotional adds and you would see every kid in wexford and limerick wanting to play hurling!!!
Scrap the league and play lenister and munster championship early in year as a strong warm up competition.
The old saying quality over quantity and with good planning there would be plenty of time for clubs inbetween..
All finals on same day in croke park with early minor final.
What a way to promote hurling!!!!
Run football in a similar format maybe
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 14:53:07
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The beauty of it is that say a 12 team super league with 6 going forward to playoffs only takes 14 weekends to play. You could just block off April, May, June, July have a few bye weeks. Play the whole thing off and leave August and September free for club championship.
The whole thing makes so much sense but I'd be surprised if something along those lines got introduced within the next 10 years.
We'll **** around with this Frankenstein's Munster of a championship system.
See if you'd a sensible bloody structure like this it'd be way easier to sell the championship outside Ireland, which clearly is a goal of Croke Park.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 07/03/2017 15:47:02
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "Tony kelly has made a lot of sense.. do you think the munster teams really care bout a munster title, waterford want an all ireland as do tipp and limerick.
Cork won munster in 2013 but clare the big price, who is remembered???
8 to 10 team super championship in three divisions with relegation of maybe two teams.
Sex it up with good promotional adds and you would see every kid in wexford and limerick wanting to play hurling!!!
Scrap the league and play lenister and munster championship early in year as a strong warm up competition.
The old saying quality over quantity and with good planning there would be plenty of time for clubs inbetween..
All finals on same day in croke park with early minor final.
What a way to promote hurling!!!!
Run football in a similar format maybe" If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up. Tony Kelly is talking absolute rubbish and his opinion is very much the minority opinion of Munster hurlers, I'd guess
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id like to see the provincial championships retained as
1 -its a coveted trophy -remember pitch invasions when we won in 2013 and even in 2015 when tipp won
2 - it gives the smaller county a chance of making a provincial final and going further
3 - theres neighbouring county rivalry at stake
i like the idea of super 10 my preferred route would be either
1 - top 2 teams in league make all ireland semis with 2 provincial winners going to quarters , other q- final made up from the league
2 or give the provincial winners all their games at home and top 6 teams making knockout stages
quarter finals home advantage given to higher league ranked team
2 up 2 down relegation with 2nd tier playing for ring cup etc
In fairness some excellent ideas coming out of this thread -keep it up lads
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If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1803 - 07/03/2017 15:54:39
i was at that munster final, hung around after game and agree with you 100% , the tipp lads were brilliant hanging around signing stuff for kids, there was a tipp county board lady minding the cup who ensured everybody who wanted got a pic with the cup , a credit to themselves and their county they were
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Replying To tiobraid: "If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up. Tony Kelly is talking absolute rubbish and his opinion is very much the minority opinion of Munster hurlers, I'd guess" i think you are the one talking rubbish here, not tony kelly.
if tipp got bet in september by waterford what would that munster title really mean, Nothing!!!! its all about the top price!!
we no longer live in 1950's ireland and the gaa are no fools to this but its fools like you that could kill the great game of hurling.
its not all about kilkenny tipp and cork
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 16:08:51
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Replying To tiobraid: "If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up. Tony Kelly is talking absolute rubbish and his opinion is very much the minority opinion of Munster hurlers, I'd guess" thats great as tipp won the all ireland, if waterford won what would the munster title mean ?? nothing??
it all about the big price
time to move on from 1950's ireland
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 16:17:35
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Replying To janesboro: "If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1803 - 07/03/2017 15:54:39
i was at that munster final, hung around after game and agree with you 100% , the tipp lads were brilliant hanging around signing stuff for kids, there was a tipp county board lady minding the cup who ensured everybody who wanted got a pic with the cup , a credit to themselves and their county they were" an out dated cup that means nothing... still play munster and lenister but totally seperate from the all ireland
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 16:21:12
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Replying To janesboro: "If you were in Limerick last year you would see what it meant to Tipp. A lot of them spent ages out on the pitch after soaking it up.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1803 - 07/03/2017 15:54:39
i was at that munster final, hung around after game and agree with you 100% , the tipp lads were brilliant hanging around signing stuff for kids, there was a tipp county board lady minding the cup who ensured everybody who wanted got a pic with the cup , a credit to themselves and their county they were" what rubbish are you talking?????
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 16:22:42
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Replying To tonydoranfan: "Tony kelly has made a lot of sense.. do you think the munster teams really care bout a munster title, waterford want an all ireland as do tipp and limerick.
Cork won munster in 2013 but clare the big price, who is remembered???
8 to 10 team super championship in three divisions with relegation of maybe two teams.
Sex it up with good promotional adds and you would see every kid in wexford and limerick wanting to play hurling!!!
Scrap the league and play lenister and munster championship early in year as a strong warm up competition.
The old saying quality over quantity and with good planning there would be plenty of time for clubs inbetween..
All finals on same day in croke park with early minor final.
What a way to promote hurling!!!!
Run football in a similar format maybe"
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 16:23:28
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tonydoranfan (Wexford) -
as you see from earlier post id like to keep the provincials if either yourselves or us were to win a privincial soon twould be brilliant
another big advantage of a more league based structure is
1 - more games and
2 - you know when games are going to be on - so can plan club fixtures
at start of rugby season i know the weekends for all 22 munster pro 12 and 6 european games , and all 18 ulster bank league games.
love hurling and football too - at present i dont know when limerick second game in championship is going to be ( i know roughly ok) , our sernior hurling championship has 5 group games , we dont know yet when the fixtures will be on . whereas in january i knew excactly what club rugby id be going to up to april
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 07/03/2017 16:26:19
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an out dated cup that means nothing... still play munster and lenister but totally seperate from the all ireland
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts:177 - 07/03/2017 16:21:12
id like to keep them but as per earlier suggestion id incorporate them into all ireland series -- to win a munster title would mean a lot to limerick right now
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 07/03/2017 16:28:11
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what rubbish are you talking?????
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not rubbish tis fact i saw it myself - i was a bit amazed if truth be told the reaction of tipp fans and players , in 2014 when cork beat us the cork fans invaded the pitch -in both cases youd think they were a county after making a breakthrough - keep the provincials but as part of a super 10 like structure
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 07/03/2017 16:30:17
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if waterford won what would the munster title mean ?? nothing??
it all about the big price
time to move on from 1950's ireland
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts:177 - 07/03/2017 16:17:35
did you not see the way waterford reacted when they won munster in 02 04 07 or 2010
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 07/03/2017 16:31:36
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This was an interesting real proposal
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.the42.ie/tipperary-club-hurling-championship-proposal-2501568-Dec2015/%3Famp%3D1
Something along those lines with 12 teams would keep the Provincial championships as part of the All Ireland but also give a league structure. Kerry would get a shot at the Munster championship if they were good enough for the top 12. Galway or Antrim wouldn't need to play in Leinster to be fully integrated into the All Ireland.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 07/03/2017 16:48:05
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Lads, Waterford were annihilated in the Munster final last year. They had 2 epic games with Kilkenny. Which does 99% of the country remember?
If somebody said to me "who won either Munster or Leinster in year X" I would struggle to remember. I know who won every All-Ireland for about 40 years.
And at the end of it all, there is still only 5 teams in Munster and poor old Kerry were not deemed worthy of a place, they probably would have given Tipp as good a game last year!
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Replying To Pinkie: "Lads, Waterford were annihilated in the Munster final last year. They had 2 epic games with Kilkenny. Which does 99% of the country remember?
If somebody said to me "who won either Munster or Leinster in year X" I would struggle to remember. I know who won every All-Ireland for about 40 years.
And at the end of it all, there is still only 5 teams in Munster and poor old Kerry were not deemed worthy of a place, they probably would have given Tipp as good a game last year!" re: poor old Kerry were not deemed worthy of a place
I agree with everything else you said, but no-one is keeping Kerry out of Munster, if they want in, they'll get in. Have Kerry made any official request to be included in the Munster championship?
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Replying To janesboro: "if waterford won what would the munster title mean ?? nothing??
it all about the big price
time to move on from 1950's ireland
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts:177 - 07/03/2017 16:17:35
did you not see the way waterford reacted when they won munster in 02 04 07 or 2010" No good without all ireland , the top prize!!!!
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 19:05:54
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Replying To janesboro: "what rubbish are you talking?????
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts:177 - 07/03/2017 16:22:42 1965117
not rubbish tis fact i saw it myself - i was a bit amazed if truth be told the reaction of tipp fans and players , in 2014 when cork beat us the cork fans invaded the pitch -in both cases youd think they were a county after making a breakthrough - keep the provincials but as part of a super 10 like structure" Yes keep the province's as they are now, a secondary competition but not as part of all ireland, they would become a strong warm up for the main prize, lets just move with the times before its too late to save the great game of hurling
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 19:10:31
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Replying To janesboro: "what rubbish are you talking?????
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts:177 - 07/03/2017 16:22:42 1965117
not rubbish tis fact i saw it myself - i was a bit amazed if truth be told the reaction of tipp fans and players , in 2014 when cork beat us the cork fans invaded the pitch -in both cases youd think they were a county after making a breakthrough - keep the provincials but as part of a super 10 like structure" Keep munster or not, i hope you do agree that things have to change with the championship structure
tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 07/03/2017 19:16:59
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