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Can hurling survive the football onslaught?

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Hurling's problem isn't football. It is hurling. The game has, at intercounty level, descended into a farce. The skills that made the game great (pulling on the ground and over head, the clash of the ash at the start, blocking) have been replaced with constant rucks, arm-pulling, uncontested puck-out strategies, basketball rate scoring etc). This is of course evolution. Football has evolved tactically too. To me, football is now the better spectacle. I don't like super 8 but would rather watch more football than hurling. I think the current intercounty championship in hurling should have less games. A personal opinion of course. I won't attend or go to any more games anyway. I still love club hurling in Cork (regardless of our standard) and I get my fix there."
Footballs only a spectacle when dublin are playing as they are a joy to watch.
Hurling's on a slippery slope imo

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1910 - 03/03/2017 18:48:33    1963268

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Zulu, apols buddy. The irony of me falsely accusing you of irony is not lost on me!! Doh!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/03/2017 19:22:37    1963283

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Love football , love hurling , can't stand those that claim the same just before launching a tirade on one of the codes , there are people who have a code inferiority complex , there easy to spot they will tell you how much they like a code before tearing it to pieces , up the real dualers"
Totaly agree...the real duel county is hurling and football, counties like cavan and mayo are allso duel only its football and soccer!! Or rugby
Duel gaa counties should be rewarded from croke park!!!!!!

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/03/2017 20:18:23    1963297

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Hurling's problem isn't football. It is hurling. The game has, at intercounty level, descended into a farce. The skills that made the game great (pulling on the ground and over head, the clash of the ash at the start, blocking) have been replaced with constant rucks, arm-pulling, uncontested puck-out strategies, basketball rate scoring etc). This is of course evolution. Football has evolved tactically too. To me, football is now the better spectacle. I don't like super 8 but would rather watch more football than hurling. I think the current intercounty championship in hurling should have less games. A personal opinion of course. I won't attend or go to any more games anyway. I still love club hurling in Cork (regardless of our standard) and I get my fix there."
Are you for real????

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/03/2017 20:20:17    1963298

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Some people prefer Gaelic football...good luck to them, some people prefer Westlife to Thin Lizzy. However the GAA clearly give preference to football over hurling. Hurling people need to give serious consideration to setting up a separate hurling organisation. There is zero promotion of hurling in many counties, infact speaking to some Donegal people it is actually being discouraged as some within GAA at senior levels in clubs feel they could not compete in both so best to promote just football (im sure the opposite happens in hurlings counties also) and be competitive in that. There is certainly a logic to this however it means the game will never grow in Ulster and Connacht and dual county boards will tend to lean towards where there is more money. Separate organisations may benefit both and at least decent club fixture list for both could be organised

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 03/03/2017 20:20:27    1963299

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Replying To Damothedub:  "comments like that certainly doesn't help hurling"
For the most part dublin is a duel county only its football and soccer, hurling only played in pockets

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/03/2017 20:23:10    1963300

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Replying To Damothedub:  "comments like that certainly doesn't help hurling"
For the most part dublin is a duel county only its football and soccer, hurling only played in pockets

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/03/2017 20:51:55    1963309

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "For the most part dublin is a duel county only its football and soccer, hurling only played in pockets"
Its dual. A duel is when lads in the 1800s shot each other in a controlled environment for sport and honor .. ....

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/03/2017 21:15:16    1963322

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Can't stand hurling. I'd have to be paid to watch it. Love football. However if the gaa is meant to represent both equally this new format does not help hurling one bit. And even I can say that as a football man if that is a term?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/03/2017 21:46:06    1963339

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If you Google hurling counties they tell you that 14 counties compete for the Liam McCarthy Cup, 7 in Christy Ring, 7 Nicky Rackard, now they are wrong on a few counties but based on that map the GAA should be focussing on the weaker counties in the Liam McCarthy as well as the Christy Ring teams and Nicky Rackard , try to get a strong and larger number of teams competing for Liam, it will take time but can be done, do the GAA want that? Of course not, why would they want to spend money on a plan that in their view will probably fail, 'it's the counties fault' is the line they will keep using. An ideal vision is 32 or more strong teams competing for Liam but when they can see the obvious problem in football where 7 or 8 teams are miles ahead of the rest yet the GAA do nothing to redress the imbalance and narrow the gap how can hurling in weaker counties progress, we need people with proper vision over the GAA who try to fix the problems and imbalance and not bankers and businessmen who want to make money and then throw a few quid to develop massive stands and pitches when the grounds we have are ok as a token gesture

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 03/03/2017 22:39:55    1963355

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rather than fans of one code knocking the other (we get enough of that on the anti rugby oooh rte hates gaa thread) lets have some suggestions . i think myself the super 10 may be the way to go - or maybe play provincial championships with privincial winners going through and the other two semis and quarter finalists being made from the super 10 or maybe from the league

less criticising opposite codes and more suggestion please
maybe lets have a look at the football version and if it works bring it into hurling

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/03/2017 22:52:43    1963357

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Some people prefer Gaelic football...good luck to them, some people prefer Westlife to Thin Lizzy. However the GAA clearly give preference to football over hurling. Hurling people need to give serious consideration to setting up a separate hurling organisation. There is zero promotion of hurling in many counties, infact speaking to some Donegal people it is actually being discouraged as some within GAA at senior levels in clubs feel they could not compete in both so best to promote just football (im sure the opposite happens in hurlings counties also) and be competitive in that. There is certainly a logic to this however it means the game will never grow in Ulster and Connacht and dual county boards will tend to lean towards where there is more money. Separate organisations may benefit both and at least decent club fixture list for both could be organised"
Don't go bagging on Connaught and Ulster promotion of hurling. Hurling is only strong where you have nice flat land because you need a good field for it.

Even the top Hurling counties tend be stronger for football where the land is only fit for spuds and sheep. West Clare, west Galway, west Limerick, west Cork etc

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 03/03/2017 23:14:24    1963363

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I'm glad people are starting to talk about this. And yeah, its not about hurling v football (it shouldn't have to be either or), its about growing and promoting both games. I'd imagine most people don't want hurling to get preferential treatment to football, they just want equal consideration.

And yes, the super 8 would work in hurling, where there's probably more need for it. As it stands, you already have 8 teams left after the provincial finals and 1st round of qualifiers. If you just replaced the 2nd qualifer round and quarter-finals with the super 8, it would just be 4 extra games in the championship, but you'd give hurling the high profile summer games it needs, and get the best playing each other more regularly. You'd also make it more difficult to get to semi's, so i think we'd start to see more variety in AI final pairings.

But if things stay as they are, hurling is in trouble. Hurling already has much less high profile games than football, and that's going to get worse.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/03/2017 23:15:24    1963364

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Will it survive Yes , will it thrive No , will it grow No
Does HQ give a shi7 No"
I couldn't agree more Damo. What I can't understand is why there is a hurling governing body and a Gaelic football governing body like every other major sport around the world

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 04/03/2017 02:33:32    1963381

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Can't stand hurling. I'd have to be paid to watch it. Love football. However if the gaa is meant to represent both equally this new format does not help hurling one bit. And even I can say that as a football man if that is a term?"
thats a real pity since your own county are doing substantially better at hurling than they are in football.

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 04/03/2017 08:38:53    1963389

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Can't stand hurling. I'd have to be paid to watch it. Love football. However if the gaa is meant to represent both equally this new format does not help hurling one bit. And even I can say that as a football man if that is a term?"
There you go...each to their own! I'm more or less the exact opposite of you! That's one of the reasons why I think there should be 2 separate organisations for hurling and football. If you are a football man you shouldn't be obliged to follow hurling and if you're a hurling fan you shouldn't be obliged to follow football. Personally I'd prefer go to see Galway Utd or Connacht rugby than go to Navan tomorrow -- and I don't even like rugby!!!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 04/03/2017 09:58:47    1963408

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Replying To janesboro:  "rather than fans of one code knocking the other (we get enough of that on the anti rugby oooh rte hates gaa thread) lets have some suggestions . i think myself the super 10 may be the way to go - or maybe play provincial championships with privincial winners going through and the other two semis and quarter finalists being made from the super 10 or maybe from the league

less criticising opposite codes and more suggestion please
maybe lets have a look at the football version and if it works bring it into hurling"
I think a 10 team league as part of the hurling championship could be a great competition.

Top 6 qualify for playoffs.

2 up 2 down would make division 2 really interesting also.

Could have Provincial championships also. If you win your province and have missed out on the playoffs you get added in. Provincial champions could be seeded so they are the opposite side of the draw.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 04/03/2017 10:15:32    1963414

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love hurling,love football,which i prefer at any one time depends on which is being played better,at the moment hurling but that has changed over time.
what do people think of what tony kelly said today?is it time to disband the provincial championships,have a super 12 and go hell for leather for the liam mccarthy?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 07/03/2017 12:05:02    1964980

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Replying To perfect10:  "love hurling,love football,which i prefer at any one time depends on which is being played better,at the moment hurling but that has changed over time.
what do people think of what tony kelly said today?is it time to disband the provincial championships,have a super 12 and go hell for leather for the liam mccarthy?"
I'd go along with that.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/03/2017 13:59:16    1965020

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Hurling needs to do something to keep its exposure, the provincial championships are a farce, when I seen Kerry lumped into Leinster it makes a laughing stock of it even more!
It would also get rid of this nonsense that is Galway, Antrim, etc in Leinster.
I think it should be tried, at least at U21/club championship level, even if just on a 3 year trial basis.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 07/03/2017 14:50:46    1965046

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