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I wasn't trying to make out they were ineligible, going by the rules they are, just as neverright said there doesn't seem to be much guideline from above on who can take part in these competitions or what is classed as a junior or intermediate team. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 22/02/2017 18:15:26 1959632 Link 0 |
Glencar is no more than a scattering of houses at the foot of Carrauntoohill. m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 22/02/2017 18:41:49 1959641 Link 0 |
A bit of history here on Glenbeigh for anyone interested. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/02/2017 19:18:19 1959648 Link 0 |
http://www.kerrygaa.ie/clubResults/28678/1608/Glenbeigh-Glencar" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kerrygaa.ie/clubResults/28678/1608/Glenbeigh-Glencar keepherlow (Tyrone) - Posts: 127 - 22/02/2017 22:54:50 1959733 Link 0 |
Thts a good point . In football terms kerry have proved there system works for there county teamin armagh nearly all there senior league could drop to junior champnship if tht happened these alirelands would never leave the orange county
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 23/02/2017 06:18:02 1959758 Link 0 |
Cheapening the competition?????? get real guys. League and championship are 2 different competitions. G/G have been favorites to win the Kerry Junior championship for every year the last decade yet every year another "lesser" team has beaten them. the Rock seem like a good quality club team but they were just not good enough to beat them on the day. In the millenium in Kerry we had a briliant competition for that one year only called the Millenium Cup. Every club team was involved from Div1 to 5. the amount of Div4/5 teams that went on to beat teams higher up in the league that year was something else. That year the winner of the Millenium Cup represented Kerry in the Munster Club. So stop moaning about leagues if a team is good enough they will win their championships. woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 23/02/2017 10:42:29 1959794 Link 0 |
think what we are saying is falling on deaf ears. ill give up on trying to change your view!!There is too big a difference with ulster structures and alot of other counties in ireland. Its not our fault or your fault for the way the structures are in place. i think that a stat that 'out of last 15 seasons that 10 kerry teams have been in the all-ireland junior final'. Clearly your junior teams are sublime or you are playing teams in junior championships that are above well Junior standard. keepherlow (Tyrone) - Posts: 127 - 23/02/2017 11:57:16 1959835 Link 0 |
my own club were well beaten by finuge in the 2005 All-Ireland Junior final. Finuge were Division 3 at the time but had 4 players who had All-Ireland senior medals (Paul Galvin, Eamon Fitzmaurice, Enda Galvin and Eamon Breen) plus their midfielder Maurice Corridan would win one in 2009. The Finuge 2005 team that played in Division 3 were a better team than the Glenbeigh 2017 team that currently plays in Division 1 IMHO. harp (Tyrone) - Posts: 129 - 23/02/2017 12:12:48 1959841 Link 0 |
My last thoughts on it. I will never be convinced that a Division 1 league team has any place in a junior championship end of. To say if a team is good enough they will win their championship holds no water if they are playing teams that don't belong in that grade. Finally - how can a player be allowed to play in both junior/intermediate and senior championships in the same year? benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/02/2017 12:22:18 1959844 Link 0 |
What people dont understand apart from possobly Dr Crokes no Juggernaut superclubs like in Dublin that are way ahead of the rest. KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 23/02/2017 12:44:53 1959849 Link 0 |
So basically the jist of all this is that Tyrone's club competitions are structured differently to most other counties. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/02/2017 12:50:14 1959853 Link 1 |
Very last thoughts..... Why keep turning this about the Tyrone structures? It was a question brought up by a Roscommon poster about the structures in Kerry that sees a Division 1 team playing in the junior All-Ireland that started the thread. Plus posters from numerous counties have queried how the Kerry structure is set up and have said the system in their counties is the same as that used in Tyrone. And why can no one answer the question of a player being allowed to play in two championships in the same year? benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/02/2017 13:06:01 1959863 Link 0 |
Jesus wept man, its the Tyrone lads on here that are going on and on about this, count the number of posts ye have put up, all asking the same stuff! I and others have already tried to answer all of yer question and we have answered your specific question about players playing senior and junior etc: It's because of the divisional teams in Kerry. God almighty this has run to 7 pages and 131 posts and some of ye still don't seem to be able to get your head around things as basic as a divisional side or a separation between league and championship. I better not start talking about the Divisional Leagues and Championships or this thread will run for the rest of time. In a nutshell: Kerry has different club structures to Tyrone. A lot of counties, esp in the 26, have structures similar to Kerry. Comparing a Division 3 team in Tyrone to a division 3 team in Kerry is pointless because they are not the same. G/G are a junior club and have as much right to be classed as one as any other club that competed in the All-Ireland JFC this year. non facilis est semper on here is it! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/02/2017 13:52:53 1959878 Link 0 |
Think you've lost the plot benched - its Kerry Championship that seems to be the exception not the rule and to have a senior team play against junior sides no matter where they are from is an injustice - considering the amount of finals and titles Kerry teams have won in the lower (Junior/Intermediate) AI club series - also suggests there is a problem. Not being an expert of Tyrone club scene - Rock are Div 3 (Junior) and play in a Junior Championship in Tyrone and then Ulster. They then reach final to play a team that's senior in Kerry because this team has opted for Junior championship. Based on the red hand posters Rock will not play Junior championship next year as they are promoted to Div 2 Intermediate and can only participate in that championship. It also strikes me that most other counties follow this format.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 23/02/2017 14:13:00 1959884 Link 0 |
Think you've lost the plot Hermit (I meant to say sorry benched!!!) - its Kerry Championship that seems to be the exception not the rule and to have a senior team play against junior sides no matter where they are from is an injustice - considering the amount of finals and titles Kerry teams have won in the lower (Junior/Intermediate) AI club series - also suggests there is a problem. Not being an expert of Tyrone club scene - Rock are Div 3 (Junior) and play in a Junior Championship in Tyrone and then Ulster. They then reach final to play a team that's senior in Kerry because this team has opted for Junior championship. Based on the red hand posters Rock will not play Junior championship next year as they are promoted to Div 2 Intermediate and can only participate in that championship. It also strikes me that most other counties follow this format.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 23/02/2017 14:14:54 1959885 Link 0 |
Hermit-- rock getting my beat by brosna has nothing to do with this topic - unless u tell me that Brosna were an intermediate or senior team that year.. if it was rock (junior) against brosna (junior) then they were beat by the better team on the day. If not the case then Rock were beaten by a team that shouldn't have been there. keepherlow (Tyrone) - Posts: 127 - 23/02/2017 15:34:36 1959913 Link 0 |
Counties have different ways to run their championship and each are entitled to do so. In Kerry, GG have been a genuine Junior Club and have not been able to win the Junior championship for many years despite being favourites to do so in those years. The fact that they have progressed to division 1 of the county league has helped them to win the championship as they gained experience of playing against teams at that level. Its important that people know that there would be little difference between lots of teams in the bottom half of division one and the top half of division 3. The reason the county league is taken seriously is because most teams recognise that the better standard you are playing the better chance you have at performing and winning the championship. GG are not Senior, nor will they be. Their chances of winning the Intermediate next year would not be high. Defullback2017 (Kerry) - Posts: 6 - 23/02/2017 16:09:27 1959928 Link 0 |
Brosna were in Division 3 and had been promoted from the 4th tier the previous year but that doesn't suit the Kerry haters narrative KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 23/02/2017 16:20:05 1959934 Link 0 |
There would seem to be an amount of confusion regarding certain aspects of Kerry's football structure. In Kerry there are 5 football championships which are as follows; the County Football Championship; the Senior Club Championship; the Intermediate Club Championship; the Premier Junior Championship; the Junior Club Championship. The County Football Championship is contested by the Senior Clubs and the county's Divisional teams. A player from one of the Divisional teams may play in both the County Football Championship and any of the other championships apart from the Senior Club Championship as to be selected for a Divisional team you must play for a club other than a senior club. There is no question of a club choosing which grade it would like to compete in; that honour has to be won in championship play. kerryfrog (Kerry) - Posts: 2 - 23/02/2017 16:37:58 1959946 Link 0 |
Lads letz all give up time every one in ireland except kerry are right at all times( bit like the wife) so its time we all said sorry !!!thiz year castlederg won the junior league so in doing this they can only play intermedate champnship next yearand we can promise never to dare do what cookstown r derrytresk done are tyrone did and be so damm cheeky as to beat them!!!
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 23/02/2017 16:58:16 1959959 Link 0 |